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Great post Wolfman, thanks for the detailed comments. If you find an AVR manufacturer with good phone support, please let me know. The experience you described sounds pretty much like every one I've ever heard. Sad but true... Jason
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I just set up a Denon AVR-789 (1909) that has Audyssey MultiEQ, Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume. When running the MultiEQ setup the suggestion is to set the sub volume to the mid point and turn off the LPF. My result was everything sounded flat/ muted and the bass was very boomy, didn't like it. Now back to good old manual SPL meter setup. I would like to try the Audyssey again to get the Dynamic Vol capability, but need to find other Axiom users who have had good success and how they did it. You may have had your sub too loud to start. What was trim set for the sub after running Audyssey? Did you use a tripod? Close to the wall? There are a few things that can cause bad results. I am extremely pleased with my results after running MultEQ XT on my Onkyo 705. I have M60s, VP150, 4 QS8s, and an SVS PB12 Ultra/2. The bass is not boomy, nor is it non existent It is there when it is supposed to be and very powerful when it needs to be. After reading many posts on the AVS/789/Audyssey forum I'm going to attempt this again. I think my vol level on the EP500 was too low and I had its xover at 80 instead of bypass or 150. Also I will spread out my mic placement points. I used the rectangle type 6 point spread from the doc. Instead I'll add 2 points a little further to the sides, as I normally have seating positions there, just not too far. Mine is a difficult room (lots of hard surfaces) and I'm looking to Audyssey for help.
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I'm thinking about trying the setup in my room again as well, but probably won't go through the effort until the new sub arrives from Axiom. At that point tweaking will be a lot more fun.
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I've tried Audyssey twice now and each time the bass is way to heavy/boomy. Its like a constant low presence. The rest of the channels are fine but with the bass being so far off I'm going back. I like heavy bass but only when it should be there.
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I've tried Audyssey twice now and each time the bass is way to heavy/boomy. This seems to be about a 50/50 split as others note the bass to be too light, must be a personal preference thing. Have you checked the speaker level settings with an SPL meter to see if the sub is set too hot? You could just drop the sub down a couple db and still run Audyssey.
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I've tried Audyssey twice now and each time the bass is way to heavy/boomy. This seems to be about a 50/50 split as others note the bass to be too light, must be a personal preference thing. Have you checked the speaker level settings with an SPL meter to see if the sub is set too hot? You could just drop the sub down a couple db and still run Audyssey. I did try dropping the channel trim on the sub and lowering the volume on the back of the sub. Both lowered the sub's volume but it was still boomy. When I turm dynamic eq off the boominess goes away. The multi-eq process sets the sub's trim at 6.5 and doubles the actual distance. The sub sits about 5-6 inches from a wall and is angled to point into the middle of the room.
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Not that it's part of your problem but I don't think LFE is directional, so angling your subwoofer into the center of the room would make no difference. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I could chime in on that as I would like to know for sure.
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Calling myself more knowledgeable might be a stretch, but I'll try adding to Cam's response. LFE is non-directional, but where your peaks and nulls are depends on how the sound waves reflect off of the walls (and other objects) in the room. So, while LFE is non-directional, pointing one way versus another might slightly affect the sound in the place where you sit based on where the resulting nulls/peaks are created. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's true to the best of my knowledge. Jason
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JonHan, the DSP circuitry of the EP500/600 causes a touch of a delay so a setting of twice the actual distance is normal.
I believe Dynamic EQ was designed for playback at low volume levels as it boosts the lows and highs, Keep it turned off unless you are listening at low volumes.
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JonHan, the DSP circuitry of the EP500/600 causes a touch of a delay so a setting of twice the actual distance is normal.
I believe Dynamic EQ was designed for playback at low volume levels as it boosts the lows and highs, Keep it turned off unless you are listening at low volumes. Yes, I normally set the EP500 distance at +50% to compensate for the DSP. I find Audyssey's enhanced bass most annoying with TV and may only use it for movies where I did found it dd add a lot for "Master and Commander". Thanks for everyone's help.
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