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Re: av123
Wid #237253 12/30/08 03:41 AM
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i think it has more to due with the fact that paradigm makes everything in house in canada

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Brandon_G #237254 12/30/08 03:43 AM
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I tend to take Axiom's word on the cause of their price changes. They're pretty up front about it and it does change roughly based on the Canadian/US $.


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Ken.C #237260 12/30/08 03:48 AM
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true but ill tell ya i wasnt happy to see them going up over 20 percent before i could purchase , that also puts axiom biting at the ankles of many other companies , had to hurt them as it has made me think twice and look at other options when before i was set on axioms

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Brandon_G #237263 12/30/08 03:54 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Brandon_G
i think it has more to due with the fact that paradigm makes everything in house in canada


Possibly to some extent, but unless they are growing their own trees for the wood, mining their own copper for the wires, etc., they are definitely susceptible to global currency fluctuations. It could be they had more margin in their speakers to begin with and so they could take the cut in profits without raising prices.

Either way, you make a good point, if Axiom is raising prices and their competitors aren't, they have to justify that value through continued superiority of their products. I still feel they are very fairly priced, but I imagine you feel differently if the price goes up during your purchasing process. I feel your pain there.

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Wid #237264 12/30/08 03:57 AM
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 Originally Posted By: wid

I think they (AV123) moved their facility to Cali, Colombia, South America.

The Rocket line, ELT line, Rosewood MFW-15 subwoofers, ULW subwoofers, and rosewood LS6s are manufactured in factories in China. The x line of speakers, MFW-15 subwoofers in finishes other than rosewood, and LS6 speakers in finishes other than rosewood are manufactured in the Cali, Colombia factory.


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myrison #237265 12/30/08 03:59 AM
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Brandon, whatever you do don’t pay MSRP for speakers from AV123. A standard practice of theirs is to negotiate a lower price from their manufacture for a set bulk order for a specific amount. They pass the savings on to purchasers by having a sale until they get enough sales to fill the order. In a way they are acting as a buyers club on their customers behalf except that they are selling there own products. There's absolutely nothing fishy about this so don’t let it put you off just be aware that if you miss one AV123 sale another will come along shortly.

 Originally Posted By: wid

I think they (AV123) moved their facility to Cali, Colombia, South America.


AV123 only made some speakers mainly their some of their new subwoofers in Cali and most of that business has been move to China due to quality control and other problems at their Cali facility. The rockets are made entirely in China and AFAIK have never had undue quality control issues.

Brandon I had also read that Axiom made it’s own drivers and even veneers. But this info is old and may have changed since 2001:

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/axiom_millenniam80ti.htm

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The mids and woofers are of the metal-cone variety, which you’d think would drive the price up. But Axiom is a pretty large concern, as they make OEM speakers for lots of companies, and thus they have an economy of scale behind them. They build and veneer their own boxes, and they manufacture their own drivers, which helps keep prices down. I unscrewed one of the midrange drivers and it’s certainly substantial. It has a huge magnet that’s almost the same diameter as the cone. The cavity behind the driver is sealed off from the rest of the cabinet and is tightly packed with polyester stuffing. The drivers are shielded too.


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Ken.C #237267 12/30/08 04:03 AM
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Ken,

It's the Chinese government that owns pretty much everything, in China. It is highly unlikely Axiom owns anything there.


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grunt #237268 12/30/08 04:05 AM
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20% ?

Axiom is still one of the best bang for the buck Audiophile speakers out there. Performance wise they rival speakers costing hundreds to thousands more.


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 Originally Posted By: Ajax
 Originally Posted By: wid

I think they (AV123) moved their facility to Cali, Colombia, South America.

The Rocket line, ELT line, Rosewood MFW-15 subwoofers, ULW subwoofers, and rosewood LS6s are manufactured in factories in China. The x line of speakers, MFW-15 subwoofers in finishes other than rosewood, and LS6 speakers in finishes other than rosewood are manufactured in the Cali, Colombia factory.


There ya go, Jack would know.


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