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#242688 - 01/25/09 06:25 PM Lies and half truth about Axiom
rage96 Offline
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Registered: 11/25/08
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Loc: Regina, Sask
Well let me first by saying that I still did not buy any axiom speakers yet, and I do stress yet.

Anyway before work today I went to our local audio store, krazy kileys, to look at the Klipsch Reference RF-83 system, and the Paradigm Monitor series system. When I spoke to the sales guy he was trying to get me to buy a Sony system (speakers and amp) for around $1,000 CAD. I was not even going to bother with what was so wrong with low-end sony stuff, then he said “Oh you want better” that’s when he took me to the Bose showroom……

Anyway after 30mins of all that sales garbage he finaly took me to the Paradigm show room, he did not have the Klipsch Reference speakers that I wanted but he did have the Paradigm Monitor series on hand and they did sound nice. So he told me for a 6.1 Paradigm Monitor system and a Denon 3808 it would be around $6,000 CAD. To me that was not bad for the price, that’s when I brought up Axiom to compare the price and all the other tech. stuff. That’s when the lies started, well more then before anyway. When I brought up Axiom he went off saying the M80 v2 where garbage compared to the Paradigm and the EP500/EP600 subs where not worth the wood they made out of.

Of course after reading up and talking to the nice people on the axiom forum this seems to be not true, so I asked the sales guy how did he know about axiom and how they sound, that’s when he told me, “About 10yrs ago I use to sell them at my store”.
That sounded kind of odd to me because I always thought that axiom was sold online only and not to dealers? Anyway I just wanted to tell my story of lies and sales people that wanted me to spend 2-3k on Bose crap.

Oh and I just wanted to know, is $6,000 for the Paradigm and denon 3808 a good deal, I think it is ok but I think I could take it lower.

Why do sales people lie and get you to buy crap, I did not talk about the monster cables they tryed to push with the package because eveyone knows about that. Anway the hunt goes on and in a few months I should have the money I need to get my system.



Edited by rage96 (01/25/09 06:42 PM)

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#242691 - 01/25/09 06:35 PM Re: Lies and half truth [Re: rage96]
Adrian Offline
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No, that is not a good deal. For Monitor 11s (2), CC390 (1), ADP 390 (2), and a DSP3200 came in at just under $3000.00 CN inc tax. There is NO way that 3808 is $3000.00 CN. I got this quote just before Christmas. Cheers, Adrian \:\)
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#242692 - 01/25/09 06:40 PM Re: Lies and half truth [Re: Adrian]
rage96 Offline
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Wow I did not kow they where that cheap, well cheap is not the right word, you know what I mean.

Anway at there show room the 3808 was at $1,800 CAD

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#242694 - 01/25/09 06:42 PM Re: Lies and half truth [Re: rage96]
Adrian Offline
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Are you in Ontario, Rage?
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#242695 - 01/25/09 06:43 PM Re: Lies and half truth [Re: Adrian]
rage96 Offline
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No I live in Regina, Sask. very small city of about 200-250k people.


Edited by rage96 (01/25/09 06:44 PM)

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#242696 - 01/25/09 06:45 PM Re: Lies and half truth [Re: rage96]
Adrian Offline
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I'll pm you, the quote I got was from a chain of hifis across Canada.
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#242697 - 01/25/09 06:47 PM Re: Lies and half truth [Re: Adrian]
rage96 Offline
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Loc: Regina, Sask
Cool thanks Adrian, I will be back later to check (just at work right now, I love supervisoring I get to do nothing).

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#242698 - 01/25/09 06:48 PM Re: Lies and half truth [Re: rage96]
jakewash Offline
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
The 3808 generally sells for $1799, but most places will deal lower, my nephew and I picked one up for ~$1400 cdn, last year I bought one for $1287. The monitors (11) are a nice speaker but lack the detail and a little bit of the low end that the M80's have, FWIW, and they generally cost the same.

So far as the sales guy, the mark ups are usually higher on the hyped stuff so they make more money.
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#242702 - 01/25/09 06:58 PM Re: Lies and half truth [Re: rage96]
RickF Offline
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Sounds like the BB sales guy I spoke with several months ago whenever I wanted to take a first hand look at the Denon AVRs and thought BB carried them. I asked where the Dennon AVRs were located and he looked perplexed, "Denon?". Come to find out he had never heard of Denon and went on to tell me that Bose absolutely had the very best systems out and proceeded to try to persuade me to follow him in that direction.

There is no telling how many unsuspecting customers have been steered wrong by that clown's 'expertise'.
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#242704 - 01/25/09 07:05 PM Re: Lies and half truth [Re: RickF]
Adrian Offline
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I don't know why people bash Bose so much, they make excellent bookends and somewhat stylish.
Jay, I think Paradigms, at least from what I've heard, are a bit cheaper in Ontario (more comptn? or because they're made here?). I think once Rage 'crunches the #'s' and reads the reviews, he'll likely come to the conclusion most of us did.
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