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Re: M22 questions Axiom or not? Help!!!
PeterChenoweth #254659 03/31/09 03:34 PM
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Yes, it would be silly to spend that much money on a sub after paying 400$ US some bucks for 2 speakers.
Therefore, I would not buy a sub for more than 600$ US, although less would be better. \:\)

The SVS are being sold in Canada by a distributor and of course there is a 100 Canadian $, markup. Nothing new there.
I will give you and example how bad it can get when shopping in Canada. Monitor Audio RS 6 has MSRP of 1000$ US but you can buy it cheaper by 200$.
A dealer here wanted 1800$ Canadian which would be around 1500$ US. I can give other examples like that.

The only company besides Canadian manufacturers that has a fair pricing in Canada is actually believe it or not B&W!
You can have 683 for the same price at 1500$ US or 1800$ canadian!

Yes, you are correct my choices for crossover are limited by my receiver. It is a good beast although old with 100wpc (5.1).
When I bought it in 99 or 98 it was top of
the line with a tone of features and connections.

Re: M22 questions Axiom or not? Help!!!
axman #254660 03/31/09 03:41 PM
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Not sure if this was mentioned by me or anyone else, you could/should look at Paradigm DSP series of subs as well. I think they are nearly as good as Axiom's subs for a little less money, the DSP3100 should be available for ~$400-$500.


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Re: M22 questions Axiom or not? Help!!!
jakewash #254664 03/31/09 04:50 PM
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What I find rather odd about the SVS subs and other US distributors in Canada is that in accordance with the dollar dropping they have increased the price relative to the US.
On the surface, I suppose, that would be logical, BUT, it is also important and somewhat "ironic" to note that many of these US based companies use BASH subwoofer amplifiers, built in Toronto CANADA by Indigo Mfg! Doesn't that mean they are importing that amp in to the US at less cost since the US dollar has risen relative to the Canadian and since the amp makes up the guts of the sub, why are Canadians being hit the extra charge? I asked the people at SVS about this and they really had no answer. Because it is a US based company, they just ASSUME they can charge more.

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jakewash #254665 03/31/09 05:00 PM
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I think the dsp-3100 would be sweet. It would be one to check out if a dealer is close to you.


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axman #254674 03/31/09 05:29 PM
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Axdude, I have seen/been quoted RS6s in Ontario for slightly less than $1500 Cn and RS8s for about $2000 Cn which, although less expensive than your quotes, are about 25% to 40% higher than the lowest prices I saw in the US.

However, certain Canadian speakers can be had at likely better pricing than can be found South of the border. That's why I will second Jay's recommendation on a DSP sub from Paradigm. I have the DSP3400 and have also heard the DSP3200, both of which are excellent subs(Imho) and at very reasonable $$ in Ontario. My 3400 was $700 Cn and was quoted around $550 for a 3200...I haven't heard the 3100 or have a quote for it, but my guess would be around $425 to $450. Personally, I believe these subs are somewhat of a hidden gem regarding performance/value...they are rarely brought up as often as the 3 letter brands and we seem to get the better deal in Canada on them.


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We get hit for the same reason Axiom charges us more for speakers built in Canada, all the prices are based on the US dollar and the Canadian dollar is quite a bit lower.


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Re: M22 questions Axiom or not? Help!!!
jakewash #254730 03/31/09 08:18 PM
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Jakewash:

You are absolutely right on the price differential. My beef with a company like SVS is a significant piece of their unit is built in CANADA and STILL sold back to us at a premium price even though, on the importation of the amplifiers to their plant in Ohio, THEY get the benefit of the dollar differential yet they are not reflecting it in any way, in the price to us. Canadian companies like Axiom and Paradigm design and build their products in Canada reflecting Canadian costs AND the dollar related to other currencies. That, I believe, is a little different situation. I know, you don't have to tell me, I am fighting a losing battle here.

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casey01 #254737 03/31/09 08:34 PM
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I do know what you mean. It would be nice if say Axiom on July 1st offered their products at par to celebrate Canada day or maybe for the first week of July. ****Nudge, Nudge, Wink, Wink***** Not that it would matter for me, still not enough money in the bank to buy what I want now.

Listening to the A1400/M80s hooked up directly to the output off my son's iPod right now and loving it............ no, really, absolutely loving it. GNR - appetite for destruction. The kick drum has never sounded so good.


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Re: M22 questions Axiom or not? Help!!!
jakewash #254770 03/31/09 11:38 PM
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I think we need an audio intervention in Calgary \:D
Jay you better stop sniffing the fumes off the amp! \:o

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Arthur, with regard to the possible choice of a Hsu sub, a point is being overlooked: the internal low-pass filter which has a maximum setting of 90Hz doesn't have to be actually used. It can be set to bypass and the inherent response of the sub to over 100Hz would then be in effect, to be rolled off appropriately by the 100Hz crossover in your receiver so that it blends well with your M22s. A suitable choice well within your budget would be the STF-2.


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