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Thanks. It’s been snowing non stop the past few days (close to 40 inches yesterday), so I’ve been enjoying some time off from work plowing my yard, over and over again. I still haven’t gotten a chance to fire the new rifle. So when you say “pretty good kick”, please prime me and compare it to say an -06.

577 Nitro…… Good grief. Not sure why anyone would want to shoot one. I think I’d be scared for life and flinch shooting a 22 after getting clobbered by that thing.

John – I haven’t paid much attention to the recoil rounds. Do you know if they have the same muzzle velocity as ‘regular’ rounds? How is it they get their claimed recoil reduction? I had just assumed it was through less powder.

AFAIK the managed recoil rounds use a lighter bullet (125 gr) at roughly the same muzzle velocity as the 180 grain. The bullet seems to be different from the regular 125 CoreLokt PSP; Rem says it's designed to open reliably with lower impact velocity.

They refer to the 30-30 a few times but the bullet weight & velocity seem closer to 7.62x39 with a hunting bullet than to a typical 30-30 load.

A couple of sites mentioned a comment from Rem that their "special powder" contributes to the lower recoil, maybe a faster burn rate so that the bullet can accelerate just as quickly with less powder and a lower overall gas volume ?

JohnK, thanks for the reminder - I had seen the managed recoil loads before then promptly forgot about them.

Then again, I imagine some people would rather be seen buying frilly underwear in 2XL than buying "managed recoil" cartridges :

(make sure nobody is within earshot, talk to clerk) I'D LIKE TO BUY SOME (lean close, speak in lower voice) managed recoil (back to normal voice) CARTRIDGES FOR MY 308 WIN

Mike, there aren't any more miracles in firearm ballistics than there are in audio technology. Sure, if you look at the Remington tables(I linked just a few in .308), if the bullet weights are the same, the velocity is much lower. For significant recoil reduction there has to be lower velocity, lower bullet weight, or a combination of both. As John B. pointed out, they say that the bullets have been redesigned to expand well at the lower velocities. They also emphasize that they're for typical situations where shots are under 200 yards.

I guess if you were hunting in the "wide open spaces" you could use a modified double rifle that fired one .577 Nitro at the target and a second, simultaneously, in the opposite direction.

That’s what I thought. Too bad…….. I reckon they’re for folks with buyer’s remorse. Folks who buy an 06 who probably should have stuck with a 308. Doesn’t make much sense to me though. I buy a caliber for its ballistic characteristics and what I plan to do with it.

It isn’t just bullet weight and powder that effects recoil though. There are other factors that contribute to it. I have a little 280 Remington Winchester Featherweight that will wake you up real quick firing 150 grain rounds.

I finally got a chance to look at this and I LOL'd - literally. THAT is exactly what it was like. What are they shooting - a Rhino gun?

.577 Nitro Express.

michael_d,

Been awhile since I shot the 30-06 (180gr bullets IIRC), but would have to say that the 325 WSM has a snapier recoil AND has more push, if that makes any sense. The 06 would feel like a shove whereas the the 325 WSM was more like a hard slap. However, I am recoil sensitive, so .270 or .308 is about as much cartridge as I can handle out of a 7-8lb rifle.

My brother-in-law was up a couple of times this week; after the first time he found that his trailer tire had gone flat. He called me before coming up the second time and asked me to look around in the driveway and yard to see if there was something sharp sticking up.

It had just gotten dark, so I grabbed a flashlight and searched around in front of the house. Nothing there, so started walking up the driveway towards the road. Didn't see anything sharp there either, but I did notice a lot of fresh saucer-sized canine footprints (canine footprints the size of a saucer, not footprints from a saucer-sized canine). After a rapid "tactical withdrawal" back to the house I followed the footprints around and concluded that a couple of animals with wolf-sized feet were hunting rodents in my woodpile.

I still had a couple of hundred feet of driveway to check, but the footprints were *really* fresh (it had been snowing all day) so some kind of moral support was required. I headed down to the gun room to pick up said moral support and found that the battery had died in the door lock. No problem, it's a standard LaGard electronic lock, just flip open the battery cover under the keypad and...

... no battery cover. Crap. Fire up the computer and start downloading pdfs until I find one that seems to match my keypad. OK, keypad slides up... check... battery is in the back... check... replace battery... check... enter combination... door opens. Woot !! Shotgun... buckshot... flashlight... spare flashlight... out we go. No sharp things sticking up from the ground, just coyotes and the occasional wolf howling in the distance.

The shotgun turned out to be handy anyways. We were unloading furniture from the trailer and Rob's dog was driving us crazy trying to get us to throw a stick for him. One round of buckshot took care of that problem...

Rob walked around with the shotgun for a minute, tracked an imaginary bird in the air, pulled the trigger, and the dog ran off looking for the bird for the next 10 minutes while we finished unloading the trailer.

That's how it read AFTER you edited the post? That second sentence couldn't come soon enough!