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What's up nut...
Ok so you're interested in an external amp eh? Well forsure you should just get (or do you already have?) the Denon 3808 and see what that bad boy has to offer. You will most likely be very satisfied. I ran my M80's for a little over a month using my Denon 4802 and was extremely happy with it, 98% of the time. I too enjoy VERY loud music/movies at times. Not all the time, but I have my moments. And I have a lot of space to fill (10,000+ cubic feet), so my Denon did run out of steam when the volume was being fully explored. But up until then, it did a fantastic job!
As for low volume level listening... I have to admit that when I first hooked the Emotiva up, I thought it sounded better at ALL volumes, and I got on here and declared my opinion. What I did not take into account is that when you're listening to speakers being run with a 300 watt amp at say -25, it's louder than the 125 watt internal amp of my Denon at -25. I didn't really realize this for a while, so my comments on how much better it sounded even at lower levels may have been a little bit misleading. To be fair I would have to go about it in a double blind test, with the levels calibrated the same and everything, before I could truthfully say whether or not it sounded any better at lower volumes. But when you think about it logically, 50 watts should sound like 50 watts, right?
Ok so what about the top end? Well in a room my size, when you're really wringing the two amps (Denon vs Emotiva) out for all their worth, the Emotiva definately runs the M80's better! The M80's are designed to handle 300 watts after all, and 300 watts fills my room at 80% better than 125 watts could at 98% (I never did go 100% with the Denon... it just seemed like something was about to break?). BUT, your room is... what, 3500 cubic feet? So it's of my opinion that the 3808 should take you wherever you need to go without any problems what-so-ever.
And if it doesn't, well you can always add an outboard amp later using the pre-out section of the 3808. So rest easy my man. Thanks Micah, I had no idea different powered amps would produce different sound levels at the same -25 setting. That would explain what I've been reading about then. Man, that is a HUGE room you have! No way I'm going to need that much power. My pocketbook (and wife LOL) will be thrilled.
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Like JohnK, I don't have Dynamic Volume on all the time, only ocasionally at night when the rest of the family are trying to sleep. It is NOT, just for TV shows, and works wonderful for movies as well. Even Night mode does a great job and does NOT sacrifice the detail of the movie, or at least your ears won't notice and your family will be able to rest, which was what you questioned.
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Cool, I may have to consider buying the feature pack upgrade for my 3808 so I can use the dynamic EQ feature... sounds pretty helpful. I haven't done it yet because I haven't used audyssey a whole lot and I am not sure what I think about paying $100 for something that I don't know if I will really notice a difference.
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Dynamic Volume comes in handy here and there, but Dynamic EQ is left on all the time and, in my opinion, makes a vast improvement.
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Dynamic Volume comes in handy here and there, but Dynamic EQ is left on all the time and, in my opinion, makes a vast improvement. With a room like yours, you need all the help you can get.
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Awwwww Peter ... dat'snaw right.
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Thanks for sticking up for me, Rick!  No, this is one thing that unrelated to my room: As I've posted in the past, I just miss those old "loudness" buttons that cause low volumes to not sound "full".
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OK, I gotta be that bastard: Can someone explain what the difference is between Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ?
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Dynamic Volume is an over-all effect, for sound levels. It adjusts the dynamic range to keep the listening level constant.
Dynamic EQ changes different parts of the audio spectrum by different amounts. So when you turn down the volume the bass is not cut by the same amount as the treble, and the surround speakers also receive less attenuation.
Most everyone who likes Audyssey, likes what Dynamic EQ does. Dynamic Volume has less people voting for "always leave it on". I believe even Audyssey turns on EQ by default, but leaves Volume off.
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Dynamic Volume only changes the dynamic range. The flockharting of frequencies is not changed. By compressing the loudest-to-softest volume dynamics, it's helpful to even out those too-loud commercials or to let you watch a movie at night where, for example, it will make an explosion 6dB louder than the dialog instead of the usual 20dB louder. In other words, it promotes marital peace when one person is more of a late-night person than the other. Dynamic EQ does two things: At lower volumes, it boosts the bass frequencies and the treble frequencies. This gives even lower-level listening the "fullness" and "clarity" that listening at higher volumes offers. The second thing it does is to boost the surround channels a bit, again, at lower volumes, to help prevent the surround stuff from getting too soft and "lost". Both of these things are applied dependent upon the volume: the lower the volume goes, the more effect is applied. As I mentioned above, I use dynamic volume here and there as needed depending upon the source and how late at night it is, but I leave the Dynamic EQ on all the time, since it doesn't come into play at anything but low volumes where, in my opinion, it's needed to prevent the sound from getting "thin" and "anemic" sounding. Well, my response was slow!
Last edited by MarkSJohnson; 01/15/10 08:03 PM.
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