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Re: New M60 owner looking for help
C.A. Duncan #288628 01/25/10 09:14 PM
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 Originally Posted By: C.A. Duncan


Regarding speaker sizes: my understanding based on something (heaven knows what) I've read in the distant past was that your receiver handles bass in one of two ways based on set speaker sizes. If front L and R are set to small, no frequency below the crossover point is sent to those channels. If front L and R are set to large, frequencies below the crossover point are sent to both the front L and R AND the LFE channel....


Close, but not quite.

Here is the jist of it:

Main speakers set to small - All info from channels 1 and 2 (call these the main R&L channels) below the crossover point is sent to the sub, along with LFE (.1) channel information.

Main speakers set to large - All info in channels 1 and 2 is sent to R&L mains, period, regardless of crossover setting. Sub plays only LFE channel.

Main speakers set to large with "double bass" setting - All information in channels 1 and 2 is sent to R&L mains. Information below the crossover point is ALSO sent to the sub, along with the LFE channel. If, for example you have the mains set at 60 hz, both the sub and mains will be receiving all channel 1 and 2 info below 60 hz.

EDIT: If the double bass setting sounds best, by all means go ahead and use it. I think you would be better off with the crossover at 60 - 80 hz as opposed to 100 though, the M60's will handle that range with ease. Personally I only have little W22's and I have them set at 90 hz, and they won't go nearly as low as the M60's.

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Re: New M60 owner looking for help
Potatohead #288641 01/25/10 09:38 PM
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A thought about your "EDIT", when in "Double Bass" mode, a setting of 100 Hz for the crossover makes the sub pick up the 100 Hz info in addition to the M60s. So the M60s are going as low as they can, and the 8" sub is starting at 100 Hz.


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ClubNeon #288644 01/25/10 09:42 PM
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^Good point, brain fart, but that is probably why it sounds best to him, as that sounds like a pretty ideal setting.




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Re: New M60 owner looking for help
Potatohead #288653 01/25/10 10:41 PM
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Thanks, Potatohead! I understand that completely!

Re: New M60 owner looking for help
C.A. Duncan #291540 02/10/10 12:25 AM
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Hello folks, I just wanted to put a lid on this one.

After my last post, the final real change I made was to install the carpet spikes. I tried the carpet spikes when I first unboxed the M60's, but I took them back off as I felt they made the towers a little unstable (I still feel this way, to a degree). I've read opposing opinions on the web whether carpet spikes really improve the quality of sound, but I think they did help a bit. Since then, I've just been listening to the M60's for about three weeks. Probably 60% movies, 40% music, or something close to that.

I felt like my ears had likely gotten accustomed to the M60's, so this weekend I disconnected the M60's and connected my old Polks back up as L & R and played a few music CD selections in stereo that I thought the M60's were particularly good at. I'm somewhat embarrassed to say that the difference was almost laughable; my old speakers sound like listening to a speaker playing on the other side of a wall. It was... shocking. I expected to have a slightly different ear for the M60's after listening to them for a while, but I couldn't believe this was the same sound that had come from the Polks for the last 10 years and I actually thought it was pretty decent. I switched back to the M60's and they sounded very full and smooth. Back to the Polks. Ugh. Seriously? These are my speakers? Back to the M60's. Switching back and forth doing A vs. B comparisons with various things for a while and just generally wondering how I could not hear this much difference between them before. I'm sure I had some setup-type issues that you guys' suggestions helped me through, but I am now convinced that my initial disappointment in the M60's was largely in my own head and ears. I readily admit I am far from an audiophile, but I've always felt like I knew 'good sound'. This has been a bit of a humbling experience, but I am very pleased to say I am quite satisfied with the M60's. \:\)

FWIW, I've been very satisfied with the VP150 also. Now I'm just itching to get some QS8's and a far better sub! I intended to space this project out, but I know full well I won't wait much longer. \:\)

Thanks again to all you guys who gave me suggestions. Much appreciated!

CD

Re: New M60 owner looking for help
C.A. Duncan #291541 02/10/10 12:29 AM
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That is excellent news! The best thing is that the feeling does not really stop as time goes by. Once in a while, no matter how used you get to the quality, you'll get that "Wow! THAT sounds good!" feeling. \:\)


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Re: New M60 owner looking for help
EFalardeau #291543 02/10/10 12:34 AM
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Glad to hear it. Sometimes we do see stuff like that--people get used to what they have. As much as I love my Audiobytes (and I use them more for music than I do my M80s), I'm always blown away at how good the M80s sound.


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EFalardeau #291546 02/10/10 12:45 AM
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After owning Axioms for about five years now I still find myself experiencing the 'Wow!' effect every so often, 'cept mostly with with me I usually utter to myself "Damn these mf'ers sound good!" ... about the time I'm deeply immersed and uttering these words to myself the little missus pokes her head in the room and yells "YOU THINK WE CAN WATCH A MOVIE NOW?"

The only difference between now and 37 years ago (other than the speakers) is that back then it was "TURN THAT DAMN MUSIC DOWN...NOW!!"

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Re: New M60 owner looking for help
C.A. Duncan #291548 02/10/10 01:05 AM
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Glad to hear you are enjoying your M60s, CA. Much like yourself, I certainly don't consider myself an audiophie, but I feel I have a decent grasp on what sounds good.

And Rick, "TURN THAT DAM MUSIC....UP!!!"


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Re: New M60 owner looking for help
Adrian #291557 02/10/10 03:07 AM
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Right on, CD. Glad your ears broke in \:\)

Enjoy.


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