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Re: How would I build an axiom home theatre for 1kish?
Bakajon #308397 05/28/10 06:35 AM
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As far as the center channel, one way to save money and have more ideal sound is to have a third M22 instead of a VP150. If you can fit it into your space, that's what I would do.

I've never heard the lower-end, non-DSP Axiom subs, but the general consensus seems to be that you can get more value with other brands. If a matching look is important to you, though, then that's a consideration.

That being said, I'm sure that system would sound great.

Re: How would I build an axiom home theatre for 1kish?
Bakajon #308401 05/28/10 07:02 AM
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First, on discounts, besides the 10% off on individual items ordered from the Outlet, you can get an additional 5% off if you order at least five items(at least $30 each)at once. One of them could be as little as $30 worth of speaker wire.

As to the proposed system, you're going way over your original budget, but I'm going to try and hold you to it. As I suggested before, get the M22s and QS4s, then add $30 of speaker wire for the fifth item to get the 5% discount. A more powerful sub than the EP125 is desirable, so I'll again mention that Acoustech PL-200 for which offers around $280 have been accepted. Also, I'll repeat that you can at least temporarily do without a separate center speaker, since the M22s create a fine phantom center image.


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Okay Jon, your right. I have sort of blown my budget -bows slightly- I grudgingly admit that I have become very excited by the audio gear.

I will check out that other woofer, and see what I can do for the hardware again in the shop before I go to bed.

I admit I do not think I want to wait 4 weeks for the outlet items to show up. I love the idea of the 2 day delivery time after ordering so I am likely to not buy outlet as much as I respect that option.



But after looking at the total bill I may change my tone. Thanks for the woofer name again.

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Bakajon #308404 05/28/10 07:55 AM
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So after doing research on that woofer, the Acoustech PL-200 I can get it for 320 dollars easily and it is an incredible performer.

Some people talked about another model they liked more, but overall this one seems good and easily available.

I do have a question about the surrounds. I noticed the qs8's are only 100 dollars more than the qs4's, but the only difference seems to really be in speaker power. Overall it seems to me that the qs4's are more balanced for my system, am I right?

175 watts max per speaker on the qs4 to the 200 max on the m22's seems to be a good balanced match - Is wattage a good way to check to see if speakers are "balanced?" for example the vp150 has a 400 watt max and the vp100 has a 200 watt max wattage

So unless I am reading it wrong the vp150's would be louder and dominant in a system with m22's and qs4's am I correct? So a vp100 would be more "balanced?" I think I may be wrong, just checking out a theory.

I am still learning here, though I feel like you guys have taught me a lot, again thanks, especially to Jonk :P

I will likely make my purchase on sunday at this rate. friday and saturday are all day anime con days. Off to bed with me, I am having too much fun playing with audio hardware.

Re: How would I build an axiom home theatre for 1kish?
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$280 offers accepted here .


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sweetness. Say I notice that woofer has left and right outs as well as being bi-ampable if I am looking at the plugs right? You can single amp it just fine through the denon 589 avr right?

Okay I think all of this is really coming together then, lookin good.

If any individual speaker is over-powered I can always tweak the power per speaker using the avr right? never used one before. :P

The woofer if any part seems op for the system but i kinda like it. One reviewer said it put the ep350 to shame.


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Awesome.. I clicked there to order though and the price was 329. I wrote in a 280 dollar offer though to see if they would accept it..

At this point I guess it's just time to wait for the con to be over before placing my whole order.

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Bakajon #308437 05/28/10 03:26 PM
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@JohnK

I thought when a Reciever was rated for 90Wx7 that they indeed, had 7 small amlifiers each rated to 90W. No?

So, really, if I were to crack open my Denon, I would find 1 larger 630W Amplifier?

So... does that mean that they cap the per channel output to 90W continuous, or if I only hooked up 2 speakers could I run theoretically get 315W per channel?

And, d00d, if I wanted to be indentified by my first name, I would refer to myself by that in my posts. Not a huge deal... just sayin.

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Re: How would I build an axiom home theatre for 1kish?
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 Originally Posted By: Bakajon
sweetness. Say I notice that woofer has left and right outs as well as being bi-ampable if I am looking at the plugs right? You can single amp it just fine through the denon 589 avr right?
You use the subwoofer preout on the Denon which is a low level output. The sub has it's own amp so it only needs a signal. The volume will be controlled by the sub out and marginally by the output level you select on the avr. the other option is for high level inputs. This when you connect the main speaker wires to the sub and it uses that signal instead, (This is not Biamping) the speaker lines are then connected to the other set of terminals and continue on to the main speakers.

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If any individual speaker is over-powered I can always tweak the power per speaker using the avr right? never used one before.
correct. I can't remember if the 589 has an auto setup or not, if it does then it will adjust the speaker volume levels equally when run. If not then you will want to get an SPL(Sound Pressure Level) meter. Radio Shack sells a very common, cheap one that works. When/If you get one we can help with it's use.


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Re: How would I build an axiom home theatre for 1kish?
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 Originally Posted By: snazzed
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I thought when a Reciever was rated for 90Wx7 that they indeed, had 7 small amlifiers each rated to 90W. No?
Correct but the Power Supply in the avr most likely is not capable of supplying that much to all 7 amps at the same time so the amps are limited by the cheaper power supply.

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So... does that mean that they cap the per channel output to 90W continuous, or if I only hooked up 2 speakers could I run theoretically get 315W per channel?
only on some models can you get that much power when the other channels are not used. most avr's when in 2 channel mode will have good enough amp sections on the mains to achieve higher than 7 channel specified ratings but to achieve a near halving of the total power is something usually only found in seperate amplifiers like Axioms A1400-8.


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