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#310239 - 06/13/10 02:47 AM M60 options
Griffith Strife Offline
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OK so here is the deal after trying to sell my M60s for the last 2 weeks. I have come to the conclusion I am stuck with them, so the question is do I use them as rears in a 7.1 system? Or do I get rid of my QS8s and use the M60s in my current 5.1 setup.
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#310240 - 06/13/10 03:20 AM Re: M60 options [Re: Griffith Strife]
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Griff, I'd understood you to say before that you were getting M80s and had already arranged the sale of your M60s. In any case, if you have a significant distance behind your listening position, which for M60s I'd suggest to be at least 6', they can certainly serve as back surrounds(definitely keep the QS8 sides). Another thought would be to use the M60s in a separate setup in another room(bedroom?).
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#310241 - 06/13/10 05:35 AM Re: M60 options [Re: JohnK]
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The M80s arrived last week just have not broken them in yet, I still have yet to put a CD or movie in. I have played some bit parts from things here and there but I have not yet listened to any thing yet. You know home alone in peace and in its entirety, hopefully Sunday will be the day.

I sold the M60s 2 days after ordering the M80s, problem is he started getting antsy. So I sold him the speakers before the M80s arrived, 2 days later he returned them. Said he needed a different finish, was not worth saving 300 bucks to not be satisfied. So I gave him 600 back and kept 50 for dropping them off to him. Not a bad deal for either, but apparently he was the only guy in town looking for M60s. Because since him I have not had any other contact I even dropped the price to 500, you would think 1 guy would call just to haggle.


BTW the M80s are beautiful I have not heard much but I love what I heard so far. Has soon as I listen to the World's Greatest Audiophile Vocal Recordings, that's the CD's title. And watch Avatar, Return Of The King, Return Of The Jedi and Dark Knight all on Blu-Ray except for Jedi. I will update or make a new post with details on what I think the differences are between them
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#310265 - 06/13/10 02:12 PM Re: M60 options [Re: Griffith Strife]
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"Stuck" with them, like they suck? \:\) Yes they could be used as rear speakers, assuming you have enough distance between you and them. Also, there is no breakin time on speakers, so the m80's will sound great right out of the box, and the same 5 years from now.
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#310271 - 06/13/10 02:26 PM Re: M60 options [Re: SirQuack]
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Are the M80s THAT much better than the M60s? If they are, I'm in trouble if I get to hear them when I visit the factory in September! I'm really afraid I'd buy a pair if they really ARE that much better.
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#310276 - 06/13/10 02:51 PM Re: M60 options [Re: sonicfox]
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Ever suspect that this whole "30th Anniversary" thing is a marketing ploy to make us hear M80s, EP800s and the new VP180??

I'm thinking anything with an 8 in it is out of my price range.
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#310277 - 06/13/10 03:07 PM Re: M60 options [Re: sonicfox]
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 Originally Posted By: sirquack
"Stuck" with them, like they suck? \:\) Yes they could be used as rear speakers, assuming you have enough distance between you and them. Also, there is no breakin time on speakers, so the m80's will sound great right out of the box, and the same 5 years from now.


No they are great I just have no use for them now. I really don't have much interest in a 7.1 system, but its a shame for them to just sit in a garage. They would be 1 foot behind me and 1 foot from the wall. I had no idea speakers did not need break in time thanks for the info.




 Originally Posted By: sonicfox
Are the M80s THAT much better than the M60s? If they are, I'm in trouble if I get to hear them when I visit the factory in September! I'm really afraid I'd buy a pair if they really ARE that much better.



Well I don't wont to say much, because I really haven't done much with them yet. But first impression is they destroy the M60s IMHO, now before everyone lines up to beat me let explain why. Now keep in mind this is first impression only.

While watching Star Trek on Blu Ray at my normal volume level 60 out of 100. The M80s filled the room with sound while at that volume I could not tell if the M60s was working properly. Seriously it sounds crazy but to get the M60s to sound right, the volume would need to be on 68 at least.

Which is just to loud for the rest of the setup. Now I know a lot of you are thinking lower everything 8 points and enjoy. I tried it and it just made the sound feel weird, the M60s would sound like I wanted but everything else felt empty. Now keep in mind I know the difference I am hearing could all be in my head, my head is now much happier with the M80s. I don't care what anyone tells me, I am getting better sound with M80s. Simply because I don't have to crank it to hear my fronts while watching a movie.

I plan on watching Star Trek and Dark Knight tonight in there entirety, also some SACDs so I will let you know if my first impressions stand up

Now I need a center that does that too, because like everyone said now the center is to low compared to the M80s.
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#310283 - 06/13/10 04:15 PM Re: M60 options [Re: Griffith Strife]
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I owned m60's for 4 years before my m80's, there is very little difference. The m80's are a little more efficient, so they will play a little louder at the same volume level. If you have all your speakers calibrated with an spl meter to the same dB level, you would be hard pressed to tell much difference. Something just seem wrong with what your saying.
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#310284 - 06/13/10 04:23 PM Re: M60 options [Re: SirQuack]
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I didn't want to say anything, but now that Randy did.....I concur! \:\)
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#310288 - 06/13/10 05:17 PM Re: M60 options [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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I use a radio shack meter with the video essentials blu ray to calibrate some times Avia too. I don't always leave things even, when I was using the M60s I would put them 2 points higher than everything else. Now with the M80s I put them 2 points down. I don't think anything is wrong with what I am saying, I think we are on the same page. I just find the difference to be big, you find it subtle.

I guess what I am saying is to some people the difference between a 65 inch TV and a 60 inch in negligible. To others its night and day, you see SirQuack I think we are both seeing the same 5 inches. Its just to me its a lot to you its negligible, neither one of us is wrong its just are perspectives is different


I once had a car with 215 horse power the next year model came out with 268. Same car same everything but the horse power I saw no real difference. My father on the other hand thought it was night and day. It was he drove different than me so he noticed the power, to me the way I drive the difference was negligible


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