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#317068 - 07/29/10 09:15 PM Rights vs Privilege
fredk Offline
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Given some of the posts here lately, here is some commentary courtesy of the Economist.
How much free speech??
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#317079 - 07/29/10 10:50 PM Re: Rights vs Privilege [Re: fredk]
grunt Offline
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I don’t see grad seminars or parliaments as similar to online forums though if the point she is making is that the rules operate similarly then I agree.

In a group discussion the “noisy” person can not be effectively ignored however, ignoring someone in an online forum is easy, just ignore them selectively or completely with the “Ignore Button” most forums have. No need for rules or moderation unless the forum or server owners have to stay within legal boundaries or feel compelled to stay within moral ones. It takes two to argue so let the noisy person have a monologue with them self. But then there’s always the someone(s) who just can’t stay quite.

As for discussion rules I’ve never been part of a group where the rules weren’t used to stifle debate in favor of the rule makers/enforcers.
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#317080 - 07/29/10 10:59 PM Re: Rights vs Privilege [Re: fredk]
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Speaking as a moderator, or pseudo-moderator, on an online forum, I have to agree with the article. There is nothing wrong with having rules of behavior up to which all participants are expected to live.

The article poses the questions "on what legal basis can you claim the right to free speech in an online forum?"

In a similar thread on the aforementioned forum an attorney posted some interesting observations including...

"We all know if we run someone over with our car we can be sued for the resulting injuries. However, some people think they can post any fool thing they want and the 1st amendment protects them, which is simply not the case. "

"...one of the things that slays me is how quickly people start talking about censorship in a private forum. The prohibitions of the first amendment only apply to the government. (Notice how the first words are "Congress shall make no law. . .") This is a private forum, so any "rights" you have here are based on the hospitality of the site operator. Nobody owes you a soapbox."
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#317082 - 07/30/10 02:29 AM Re: Rights vs Privilege [Re: Ajax]
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Hey, Jack, nice to hear from you.

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#317084 - 07/30/10 04:58 AM Re: Rights vs Privilege [Re: CV]
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Yeah, Jack's been silent awhile.

I wonder who silenced his free speech here? smile
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#317088 - 07/30/10 09:35 AM Re: Rights vs Privilege [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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In the context of company owned forums and active ongoing censorship look at the two biggest examples - AV123 and Emotiva.

Than you have the others at the extreme opposite that do not censor at all. Axiom, Ascend and Aperion.

Companies that censor their forums usually have something to hide either about their products or the way they conduct business. On the opposite spectrum look at Axiom, they have quiet confidence about their products and when you run a business in an ethical manner, there is nothing to censor. Axiom should be VERY proud of the fact they do not moderate with a heavy hand.




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#317089 - 07/30/10 09:47 AM Re: Rights vs Privilege [Re: MarkSJohnson]
Ajax Offline
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Well, we working men are kinda busy ya know. wink There are those who have been profoundly grateful for my silence. I had a few things I would've liked to say in the V3 thread but, under the circumstances, considered it prudent to keep my mouth shut.

However, this topic is one that is near and dear to my heart. I never cease to be amazed at how many folks feel annonymity gives them license to behave in ways they never would in a face to face situation. frown

Not that I'm advocating the following, but it would be interesting to see if such behavior would change if a person's real name, real address, real email, and real phone number were prominently displayed in each post's signature field. whistle cool
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#317091 - 07/30/10 10:02 AM Re: Rights vs Privilege [Re: Ajax]
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2x6 slipped up and posted his real name and real email a while back. Let's see if it makes a difference. smile
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#317092 - 07/30/10 10:05 AM Re: Rights vs Privilege [Re: pmbuko]
BlueJays1 Offline
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The only difference is going to be the amount of spam he receives in his email account. shocked
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#317094 - 07/30/10 11:25 AM Re: Rights vs Privilege [Re: BlueJays1]
grunt Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dr.House
In the context of company owned forums and active ongoing censorship look at the two biggest examples - AV123 and Emotiva.

Than you have the others at the extreme opposite that do not censor at all. Axiom, Ascend and Aperion.

Companies that censor their forums usually have something to hide either about their products or the way they conduct business. On the opposite spectrum look at Axiom, they have quiet confidence about their products and when you run a business in an ethical manner, there is nothing to censor. Axiom should be VERY proud of the fact they do not moderate with a heavy hand.





It is interesting to see the differences in how the companies you mention conduct themselves. What’s also interesting to me is how despite a companies confidence there are always some owners who don’t seem so sure. . . . wink
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