Re: 9.2 ....10. 2. ... 11.2 where does it end
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Ok, you are crazy.
That is what makes HT/home audio great, you can set the system up to suit your own ears.
You are aware that if you have the speakers set to large, you have no need for crossover points as the processor sends a full signal to the speaker and all you get out of the sub is LFE unless you enable Mains+ sub or what ever your avr calls it.
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Re: 9.2 ....10. 2. ... 11.2 where does it end
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I know it doesn't match reason, but with only the On-walls + sub, I always got a better sound with everything set to large. With the bookcase, I like it better set to small.
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Re: 9.2 ....10. 2. ... 11.2 where does it end
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Re: 9.2 ....10. 2. ... 11.2 where does it end
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If I'm not mistaken (which I usually am), I believe Mike (michael_d) has his speakers also set to large in his HT setup? Mike? Oh wait, he's probably down in the lower 48 picking up that new Z06 somewhere.
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Re: 9.2 ....10. 2. ... 11.2 where does it end
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I ran my M22's as Large+Mains while I had a weak sub, once I picked up a better sub the m22s were set to small and it sounded better IMO, a little cleaner on the lower mid, upper bass.
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Re: 9.2 ....10. 2. ... 11.2 where does it end
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I think the that in the end it’s dependent on the room. In my 16x12x8 apartment I found 5.1 worked better than 7.1. I literally had as perfect a 360 degree soundstage as I could imagine. In my 21x13x8-12vaulted I find that 9.2 with wide speakers and a Buttkicker are about as good as I’m going to get. In the second case the longer room greatly benefits from wide speakers because they fill that gap between the mains and the surrounds caused by room length.
IMO a close to square room (not really square) is perfect for creating a 360 degree soundstage in the sweet spot or for all seats if the walls are far enough away. However, the longer the room and the more rows of seats the more having wide or multiple surround speakers benefit the presentation.
I don’t think HT audio will benefit from many more channels unless we break free from having the video projected only up front. If a wider range of video angles are present then I could see an advantage to adding more audio channels so better support the 180 or say 360 degree on screen action. However, Grunt they say an un-equilateral room is best suited for HT and sound waves. So, your second room seems better un equal odd sizes as oppose to a 10x10x10. Like if the sound wave hita the side way at 45 it will bounce off at 45 to the next to the next to the next always in the same spot. No real disspertion
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Set them to what ever sounds best, some even run the sub with the M80s set to large for a double bass effect to help smooth out the in room response. I perfer the Mains M80 to large, anything over 45ish is going to fade and roll of anyways. Also, it seems to blend in well between the sub and M80. the volumn level of 30hz and below on the 80's is pretty low anyways. Unless your amp setup is at 80hz for the fronts/Large and you have the sub set to set to LFE and not LFE + Mains. Then again if you have the mains set to small and you have M80's that's a waste, that's like buying a Cadillac and driving the Pinto or better yet you drive the Pinto and the wife drives the Caddy. Too each his own preference ...
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Re: 9.2 ....10. 2. ... 11.2 where does it end
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If you have the M22's set the amp to small speakers and sub output to LFE only, I think most amp when set to small there is no option for LFE+Mains.
If you have M80/60's I perfer to set the Mains to 80hz the Centre "if" the VP150 to small, "if" the you have the VP180 set to large. For the sub setting if running M60/80 I would set it to LFE+Mains If you don't find it blends well cut it to LFE only and set the Mains to small
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Re: 9.2 ....10. 2. ... 11.2 where does it end
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I know with Denon you can still set the sub to LFE + Mains and speakers to small but it doesn't matter as the crossover is in play when ever a speaker is set to small and all below the crossover(rolled off of course) is sent to the sub regardless of the sub setting.
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Re: 9.2 ....10. 2. ... 11.2 where does it end
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However, Grunt they say an un-equilateral room is best suited for HT and sound waves. So, your second room seems better un equal odd sizes as oppose to a 10x10x10. Like if the sound wave hita the side way at 45 it will bounce off at 45 to the next to the next to the next always in the same spot. No real disspertion
Note that I said “IMO a close to square room (not really square)” and not a cube or “10x10x10.” In the case I cited the room was 16x12x8 which is considered poor for reasons of the room having dimensions divisible by the same number but that again is not my point. Having a room that allows for closer to circular placement of speakers around the listening area makes for a more seamless 360 degree soundstage with fewer speakers than a longer narrower room usually requiring a longer elliptical speaker layout. Plus having a symmetrical layout also lend itself to more even soundstages all around. If you haven’t noticed I don’t care much for what “they say” (the experts) once I have my own experience in matters.
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