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#328925 - 11/19/10 01:10 AM Re: Considering M22's [Re: ClubNeon]
JohnK Offline
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Chris, that isn't my understanding or experience. If you have a reference to some discussion of that, I'd like to read it.
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#328927 - 11/19/10 01:42 AM Re: Considering M22's [Re: JohnK]
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It had come up several time in discussions about proper Dolby down-mixing in a DSP forum. I also saw an Oppo rep give it as a reason for why their BD player drops the LFE when the sub output is turned off. AC3Filter (a DD codec for Windows) makes it an option set to off by default.

My old Sony receiver did mix the LFE into the mains when it was set to none. But it was my understanding that it wasn't done any more.

Though I just checked my Pioneer. I have a DVD with an LFE channel only sweep. Turned all my speakers to large, and the sub to none. Sure enough the sweep came from the mains (and no others). So, maybe the LFE drop isn't practiced as much as I thought.
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#328931 - 11/19/10 07:07 AM Re: Considering M22's [Re: ClubNeon]
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My Anthem D2v documents it as being sent to the mains (did not actually try because I ran out of time). I tried it on my Onkyo 805 and the LFE was coming out of the main.
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#328944 - 11/19/10 09:58 AM Re: Considering M22's [Re: EFalardeau]
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I think in my case I also get some LFE. Like I said, if I turn the volume high enough, I get quite a bit of vibration.
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#328946 - 11/19/10 10:04 AM Re: Considering M22's [Re: EFalardeau]
ClubNeon Offline
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Pioneer no longer documents what it does. That was another point in me thinking it was no longer done, because before it was explicitly spelled out what would happen.

My Sony's manual even went as far as to talk about the +10 dB needed to be applied to the LFE signal to mix it at the right level with the mains, but mentioned it could cause distortion. The LFE mix level would be set from -10 to +10 dB (with separate settings for Dolby and DTS).
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#328950 - 11/19/10 10:41 AM Re: Considering M22's [Re: ClubNeon]
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Well guys, thanks for all the input. What I have decided to do is just go all out with it. I'm going to get the M80's with a 350. This way, I can start off with an amazing sound and just make it better by getting more pieces.

Ill get what I can off the auction site, and probably get refurbished Onkyo to plug them into. Thanks for all the help guys laugh

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#328957 - 11/19/10 11:22 AM Re: Considering M22's [Re: tehghost132]
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Congrats! That's the way I would do it (actually, that's the way I am doing it smile )
I just checked the auction site and right now only M80s V2 are available as all other auctions just finished. Just wait a few days and I am sure the M80sV3 and EP350 will come back.
Let us know what you think of your new setup.
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#328995 - 11/19/10 07:01 PM Re: Considering M22's [Re: bdpf]
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Nothing wrong with the v2's on the auction site and you save a few bucks doing so, this might allow some extra funds for another speaker or 2.
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#329088 - 11/20/10 04:45 PM Re: Considering M22's [Re: Adrian]
tehghost132 Offline
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Well ive done it. Pair of M80's with a EP350 and a refurbished Onkyo - Tx-Sr608. Now I wait laugh

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#329123 - 11/21/10 12:57 AM Re: Considering M22's [Re: tehghost132]
jakewash Offline
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Excellent! Hope they arrive in one piece wink
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