Re: Axiom and research.
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Well the original goal of this post wasn't really to see if Axiom will one day launch a "higher line" but to know what they have in mind for the next 2-3 years. Yes the VP180 is indeed a great improvement so as the EP800. Like i said i am just curious to see what Axiom reserve us next
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Well, I think we're all curious. There have been several threads in the past speculating on this topic. But there's no really good reason for Axiom to divulge anything to us until they have a marketable product. Many companies - especially internet-direct companies - have been badly burned by creating expectations that they are ultimately unable to fulfill.
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They did mention that they would release a companion pre-pro for the A1400-8 which never materialized, but I don't think anyone was too disappointed considering they hadn't released any details about it other than they were working on one, and I'm sure we'd all rather they didn't release one unless it could really compete against the other options out there. I would still like to see more companies offering reasonably-priced pre-pros, but I can certainly understand why there are so few.
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I would still like to see more companies offering reasonably-priced pre-pros, but I can certainly understand why there are so few. I can't, considering how separate Pre/pro's cost as much or more than good avr's but those pre/pro's have no amp sections so to me they should cost less(marginally) than an avr but never do. I can understand why one wouldn't want to get into that market as it is constantly in a state of flux at the momment.
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I was only talking about new companies getting into pre-pros, but you're right, the existing big AVR makers should definitely be offering pre-pros at a decent price. How hard is it, really, to take out the amp and add balanced outputs to any receiver they already make?
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Apparently harder than we think
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I would bet it's the marketing people who get in the way. They ask who the target audience is for a receiver without the amps, and see that they have more money to spend, or will see a higher perceived value, than those who just want an integrated unit. So that sets the price right there.
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I have always guessed that to be so and I have no doubt that you are correct.
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I would bet it's the marketing people who get in the way. They ask who the target audience is for a receiver without the amps, and see that they have more money to spend, or will see a higher perceived value, than those who just want an integrated unit. So that sets the price right there. You are dead on about this one in that marketing in certain areas dictate what is sold. I can recall back in the late 80s and early 90s when Yamaha offered a complete line of audiophile separates in a champagne color that looked great and sounded terrific. Once surround sound took hold and everyone started to jump on the HT bandwagon, these beautiful separates started to disappear. Not only that but when they were still offering the champagne color in other parts of the world along with integrated amp surround sound processors(without the tuner), all you could get in North America were AVRs in any color you wanted as long as they were BLACK! According to the mainstream companies(Onkyo/Integra being the exception), Pre-Pros are a "niche" product so the few that offer them end up putting in balanced outputs in the space occupied by the speaker connections and charge a premium to those that believe they are superior. I guess Emotiva and to a lesser extent Outlaw(when they finally get around to having one available)are exceptions to that rule.
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