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As long as its double blind so the bias is removed...
See where this is going? ...and true double blind-experiments doesn't really exist in audio... Nowhere?
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Yeah, Dan; that sort of "review", describing in glowing terms the "sound" of a piece of electronic equipment, can't be taken seriously. If the amplification process is understood, it's clear that all that's happening is that enough voltage is being added from the power supply section to make the small incoming voltage about 30 times stronger. If this is done with flat frequency response and inaudibly low noise and distortion(typical in even modestly-priced units these days), the result is transparent amplification without any added sound characteristic, and no amplifier, regardless of whether it costs $200 or $200,000, can do more than this. The editor of The Audio Critic summarizes this very well in "Electronic Signal Paths Do Not Have a Personality!" . Of course where such reviewers lack the equipment or technical knowledge to provide meaningful measurements, they're reduced to operating on a "Just trust your ears" level, which is hopelessly flawed when not done under carefully-controlled blind listening conditions.
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It's a real nowhere thread Getting all into our heads Making us all hot and bo-othered…
Peter's got a point of view And JohnK, he has one too Isn't this horse be-e-eaten y-e-et?
Nowhere thread please listen You don't know what you're missin' Nowhere thread the a..a..a..amp makes a difference ...la la la la
Double blind is what you'll be If you're listening, you can't see Nowhere thread, you don't read me at aAall...
Nowhere thread, Don't worry Do it blind, No, surely Trust your ears not somebody else's nu-u-umbers!
Catbrat's got a point of view, ClubNeon, he's got one, too Isn't this horse be-e-eaten y-e-et?
Nowhere thread please listen You don't know what you're missin' Nowhere thread the a-a-a-amp makes no difference ..la la la la
It's a real nowhere thread Getting all inside our heads Making all these arguments for nobody. Making all these arguments for nobody. Making all these arguments for nobody!
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If you don't beat the horses once in a while; how are they going to stay dead?
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Hmm. On second/third/fifteenth thought, "murdered" would have been a better word there.
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I know when I went from a cheap Sony 100wpc amp to a more expensive Pioneer Elite 110wpc, there was a night and day difference. Night and day in what part of the world? Northern Alaska in the winter?
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But, nowhere "is" somewhere.
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I know when I went from a cheap Sony 100wpc amp to a more expensive Pioneer Elite 110wpc, there was a night and day difference. Night and day in what part of the world? Northern Alaska in the winter? Apparently, it was nowhere. Amazing how a big difference is heard by someone, but it can't be true unless everyone else hears it. Kinda like falling trees can't make a noise unless someone was there to hear it.
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If the difference was that great to you, who are we to argue? Of course you have the right to quantify the change in whatever terms you want. I went from a mid-level Onkyo receiver to separates which include Axiom's A1400-8. I love the loud, clean playback levels compared to the Onkyo's obviously underpowered receiver with its harsher sound at higher volumes, but I'd personally be hard-pressed to call the difference night and day. Maybe clear blue skies versus a bit overcast.
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I too went from a Sony to a Denon and the difference was very noticeable. I can remember thinking the dynamic range was better with the Denon, which would mean the Sony was very under powered for the volume levels I wanted. The Sony seemed to have a much flatter playback less noticeable highs and lows than the Denon.
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