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I've always bargained for the stuff I want - giving up something here to get something there. Gave up the motorcycles - bought SeaDoos. Gave up the SeaDoos - bought Axioms. Gonna give up cigars - gonna get something really cool and unnecessary like an SVS PC Plus 20-39.

If you're already living a clean and non-dangerous life point that out, "Hey, honey, it's not like I'm out getting drunk at the brewery and riding my bike through the canyons at 100 mph." Maybe she'll see your HT hobby as a pretty benign (if expensive) activity.

My wife objects to the "always talking about speakers" more than she objects to the money.

Yeah, my wife complains more about me talking about computers than me buying stuff for them. Once we get to buying the speakers, I have a feeling it will be the same thing.

are you kidding me!! she got a 4k piece of oak, and you're scrappling to ceiling mount a few speakers. I suggest you break out the hardware and get those things mounted quick. Please, restore some of my faith in the male gender. I cannot believe how bad and out of control the american male has got!!

Mount those GD things, sit down, and have her get you a beer. and it better be cold. and, after what you been through, a frosted mug wouldn't be out of the question. Sheeshh!!!

I'm with Bilbo. Purchase the hardware to mount the QS8s where they will work the best. Wait until she leaves the house to go shopping or something, and mount the speakers while she's out. Don't mention it at all from that point on. IF she complains about it, tell her that you didn't spend $470 on a set of speakers so that you could mount them under the couch where they are out of sight, but sound terrible. She'll get over it. As for "trading in" something that you like now to get something else that you like, forget about it. What's next? Trading dinner for sleep? Cutting the grass for sex? Ok... bad example... a few years ago I lived next to a little sweety that didn't own a lawnmower. I made that trade (quite a few times) and it was well worth it . But with a wife, that's a different story - you should get sex either way, tall grass or not. Ceiling mounted speakers or not.

My girlfriend was laughing about all of the boxes, and the size of the speakers. I (jokingly - sort of) warned her that she either learn to like my new setup, or she could leave. She's still here. She even brought me a few beers while I was working on setting them up.

A lot of guys do it to themself. They play that mister sensitive, politically correct, in touch with their feelings crud to get the girl, then they have to spend their whole dang life living up to it so as not to get divorced. If a girl won't date you because you won't place that game then you are better off walking away from the get-go. (OR - at least only play it for as long as it takes to get a good one nighter out of her). It's funny. Both men and women get on "their best behavior" when they first start dating. Over time, bits and pieces of the "real them" show up as they get comfortable and start forgetting to keep up the act. Sooner or later, I am going to find that at the 2 year mark, I have the same exact woman that I started with on day 1. SHE will become the wife. Until then, the speakers stay, the girl is in the "evaluation period". See? Don't fret, Bilbo. We're still here, just not in the numbers we used to be. Put us on the endangered species list, though.

And always remember Michael's #1 piece of information that all electronically oriented males need to know:

"If it has tits or transistors, sooner or later there WILL be problems."

(If you are a mechanically oriented type of guy, change "transistors" to "tires" - the rule still applies.)

Fetch me a Bass, woman.
(the beer, not the frequency range)

Hehe... I just realized that any HT oriented women that may be reading this forum have most likely "black listed" me by now. I guess I will have to go to a different forum if I decide to go wife shopping online...

Interesting motto...probably would make a good tattoo or bumoer sticker as well...I wish I had adopted that attitude before my first marriage, but it's better late than never, I guess...

your slogan reminded me of an oldy but goody...
"if it F#cks, Floats, or Flys -- rent it"

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I just realized that any HT oriented women that may be reading this forum have most likely "black listed" me by now

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Not just the women, Michael...

From what I've seen, a woman whose top priority is to please her man ends up with a neanderthal type ("Woman! Fetch beer!") that gets bored with her and cheats. If there's no mutual respect or intellectual stimulation, there's nothing real.

My wife is too smart to allow me to bully, degrade or demean her, but she ain't so smart that I can't fool her. And from what I've seen of stupid women (while that quality is in many ways appealing) they are likely to get YOU into financial trouble.
The last two motorcycles both wound up with mechanical problems, as did one of the SeaDoos, so I was bargaining with stuff that I was going to sell anyway. I just didn't tell her that. Same with the cigars. I don't have an hour free to sit outside and smoke anymore. Cigars are over-rated anyway.

Interesting topic that spouted from speaker placement. I actually found some stands that work with the QS8's real well (no balance problems, height is good & the speaker's are allowed to down fire. My wife actually asked me why I didn't get white QS8's for ceiling mounting. I think she actually would be ok with the mounting situation but Black sticks out like a sore thumb.

As marriage is a give & take situation. I think it all evens out in the end. I get a great HT. She gets a vacation. I want a new stereo, she gets jewelry. If I have to kick down some extra $$$ to get my way, so be it. In the process both of us end up with what we want.

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a woman whose top priority is to please her man ends up with a neanderthal type ("Woman! Fetch beer!") that gets bored with her and cheats.

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Actually, I think you missed my poing in a major way. I guess you can boil it down to be honest with them up front, and you won't have to sacrifice who YOU are to please her later on.

#1 - I WILL NOT cheat. It's the #1 reason I'm not married. When I can honestly say to myself that I am ready to be with one woman forever, I will do so. Until then, I will continue to be 100% honest with the women in my life.

#2 - "Woman, fetch beer" - is not meant to be demeaning. When her car needs brakes, a tune up, ball joints, shocks, struts, etc. For her, it's "Man, fetch tools and fix my car", which I happily do because I care. I assume that is the same reason why I get a giggle, a hug, a kiss, AND a beer when I say that. Men and women are different. That being the case, we have different roles in the relationship. I do anything that requires blood, sweat, or tears, and she handles everything else that facilitates my being able to take care of her. It's a partnership.

I think Bilbo and I are talking about the same thing, which is men being afraid to take a stand on something that matters to them. Everyone makes compromises, but a lot of guys pretend to be someone that they are not to get the girl, and then have to spend their entire life trying to be the man that their woman thinks they are. It's just easier to be who you are, than it is to change into someone you are not.

Lastly, if it is neanderthal to assume the role of provider, protector, and repairer of all things broken for the woman that one cares for. Then color me guilty. I do a lot for her, and all I expect from her is to provide a warm, loving, supportive household for me to come home to. She LOVES filling that role, and I love having her fill that role. I take good care of her and she takes good care of me. It's not demeaning for us to understand each other's needs, and to make our best effort to make each other happy. I'm a guy. I do guy stuff. She's a traditional lady, and she does girl stuff. Neither one of us has a problem with that. In all honestly, that's why I care so much, and why she cares so much. I've been 100% straight up with her, and she with me. We don't have arguments about what speakers I buy, how I mount them, or what color they are. In return, I don't tell her what color draperies to hang, how much seasoning to put in dinner, or what style saddle to use on her horse. The remark about being black listed was simply realizing that without writing a 40 page novel to fully explain the situation, anyone reading the post would get the wrong idea. I'm not a scumbag... I'm just a regular guy who is waaaay to honest for his own good. I pull no punches. She knows exactly what I think and why I think it. That's why she's sitting on my lap at 2:30AM making me defend myself... hehe.. I love it when she sticks up for me even when I stick my foot in my mouth. Oh... and my "pet" name for her is wench. You should see the sweet little look she gives me when I call her that. She loves it... (and just made me type that in here, too)

That being said, the QS8s should be mounted on the wall, or on the ceiling simply because that's where they were designed to be... And at least there is 1 woman in the word that thinks they look "really nice and professional" mounted on the wall - mine.