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#418253 - 03/30/16 07:51 AM Re: M80 HP and VP180 stranded match?? [Re: shin204]
TroyD Offline
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Yes the M80's go lower than 60hz and quite well.
Also,it is not a hard cutoff at the crossover points. Even though your receiver is set to cross over the Lower Frequencies at 80hz there's a slope set to say -6db. The sub probably starts working at 90hz although -6db by the time the 80hz it's at equal level to the 80hz reference point of the system you adjusted before setting the crossovers. if your M80's are set at 60hz, it's a gradual roll off they still play 58hz, 50, 40hz although not very much that you would even notice.

I find it ridiculous to buy these M80 HP in a home theatre setup to cut them off at 60hz. Just seems to be a waste, if your not using the low frequencies and just using the upper bass and highs the M22 have the identical drivers that are being used and play down to 60 hz. and $2500 cheaper. For 2.0 music in 2ch ok got a case for them. And you can say the bass on the sound stage is better if in ful range, well yeh ok but most put thier subs up front on stage and if not, I am sorry I do not sit up on stage I sit 12 ft back and the subs take care of the bottom end quite fine. Now if playing at extreme volumns, 100db then yeh towers.
I think having towers is more to kill two birds with on stone cheap. unless of course your room is huge, but for a normal person my room is 12x15x7 and the M22 are quite loud as it is.
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#418255 - 03/30/16 08:52 AM Re: M80 HP and VP180 stranded match?? [Re: shin204]
Mojo Offline
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I've listened to the M22s v2 with a sub and they are not equivalent to M80s v2. There are big differences in soundstage, presence and mid-range. I find the M22 v2 "thin" or "lean" compared to the M80 v2. I can't speak to other versions.
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#418273 - 03/30/16 09:41 PM Re: M80 HP and VP180 stranded match?? [Re: shin204]
brwsaw Offline
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....Where did I put that flame suit?
There's a difference M80 to M80HP let alone a smaller speaker. It could be that the V4 is to blame for the difference in SQ but it's there. They just sound better.
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#418274 - 03/30/16 11:08 PM Re: M80 HP and VP180 stranded match?? [Re: shin204]
Mojo Offline
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M80 and M80HP sound different at "normal" volumes? I define normal as a couple of Watts with 20 Watt peaks.
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#418276 - 03/31/16 11:10 AM Re: M80 HP and VP180 stranded match?? [Re: shin204]
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Registered: 01/06/05
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I recently upgraded my M80ti to M80v4 and my M22v3 to M22v4. First of all there are noticeable differences going from the "m80ti" to the m80v4 and also the same was noticed going from the M22v3 to the M22v4. I'm extremely happy I used Axiom's trade in program to upgrade my setups. Long story short the differences that I noticed right away is that the V4's are smoother sounding but do not lose any of that detail that Axiom is known for. I have my M80's set up in the family room that is 13x21x8 and then I have the M22's set up in my office which is 8x12x7. Both sound very similar. I would agree with Mojo that there are differences in the soundstage and presence. I'm giving them similar power and currently have the crossover set on both to 80hz. M80's can easily go down to 40hz and sound VERY good and have good bass output. I actually like having them at 60hz but I'm testing out 80hz for the time being. M22's in my opinion sound best at 80hz so depending on your sub, having the flexibility to go lower than 80hz might be important.

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