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Re: Introducing the M5 and QS10
bridgman #425324 05/01/17 11:01 PM
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(Skip to the last few paragraphs if you just want to cut to the chase!)

All, here’s a summary of initial impressions of the M5 HP On-Wall speakers compared to my existing in/on wall M22/M2/M22 LCR combo. These are accompanied by 4xQS8 and an EP500 for a 7.1 system. Powered by a Pioneer SC-05.

Since I had to physically change out speakers and connections any kind of unbiased blind AB testing was not going to be possible. Consider this a totally subjective biased expression of my opinion.

It had been awhile since I’d done any critical listening of my system so I pulled out some of my favourite discs and spent some time reacquainting myself. We watch movies often and I play PS4 with my son and watch TV, however to concentrate on audio subtleties is not something I’d done in a while. So I checked the existing calibration was still correct and then launched into a personal review of audio awesomeness with my W series.

My existing system (see album link below) is the discontinued in/on wall version of the M22 (called the W22 back in the day). The W series has more cabinet volume so has a bit better bass response than the traditional on wall versions sold currently. That is what led me to Axiom in the first place as I was looking for deeper extension from on wall speakers without breaking the budget - also the unique design of the QS series for surrounds was another draw. I first built my system with W22’s and W150 for center channel duties. However after a year or two I became interested in exploring vertical center channels and switched out the W150 for a W2. You can read my listening report on that comparison here. The short version is that I will always have a vertical center channel when possible. Anyway, enter the release of the M5HP OnWalls and I have my chance to go lower in Hz, more capable power handling in dB and to have 3 identical LCR speakers for my front sound stage. But could they be as good as my existing combo?

Before I say anything about the M5’s I first of all have to say how amazing my existing system sounds (to my ears anyway). So much so that as I was reviewing things to listen to for the comparison I began to worry I’d wasted time and money on the new purchase of M5’s without even having heard them yet!

Disclaimer - keep in mind anything I say below is describing shades of grey and is not a black & white difference, no matter what superlatives I may get carried away with smile

Before listening to the M5’s I also level matched them to be equal to the W’s and with the rest of the system so front to surround/sub balance was as close I could make it.

I started with the often used but still great Dave Matthews/Tim Reynolds at Radio City on BR. I listened in particular to the piano in ‘Out of My Hands’ and presence of the guitar in ‘Grace is Gone’. The piano had a slightly more natural sound and greater presence to it with the M5’s. The W22’s sometimes put the piano more forward and less balanced on certain phrases. In Grace is Gone the ‘body sound’ of the guitar had more depth and impact and the high end ‘twanginess’ of the higher guitar notes was somehow smoother and more controlled than the W22 (which still sounded fantastic!)

Another piece I like is the drum battle track ‘Batalla de los Tambores’ from Godsmack on the Changes DVD (yes I said DVD!!). In particular the opening sequence where Sully is playing the bongos against Shannon on the full scale drum set, I find the bongo to drum balance a bit tricky. Here was a more obvious difference where the bongos had much more presence on the M5’s. I find the bongos a bit ‘soft’ compared to the volume of the full drum kit in general in this track, but the M5’s made them more clearly defined. Then later when things get busy the M5’s were able to keep things overall a bit more clear.

In the Porcupine Tree ‘Anesthetize’ Blu-ray, the title track ‘Anesthetize’ has some amazing tom’s by my favourite drummer Gavin Harrison. Here, like the bongos from Godsmack, the M5’s had more snap and impact to the tom strikes. When the track really gets going with the full band it can get a bit busy and lose cohesion if I have my W22’s cranked too high – however the M5’s were able to take the volume without ‘compressing’ the sound and the treble just sounded smoother again. Not sure if this is the v2 vs v4 tweeters, but a nice improvement.

Lastly I used the opening sequence to the 2009 version of Star Trek Blu-ray movie as I did when comparing the W150 to W2 several years ago (see link above). The same improvements applied again but this time from the W2 to the M5 – dialogue, presence, smoothness. Again, the natural impact of the loud brass ‘blasts’ was better with the M5’s shortly after the Paramount logo leaves the screen. I did not check off axis this time around. I did have my wife join for this part - always good to keep the budget committee on your side! My wife could hear the improvements as well so she was sold on keeping the M5’s.

Here’s a link to related photos.

Sorry for the marathon post, but the summary is that the M5HP OnWalls are staying and will be properly & permanently mounted. They are able to play louder and more cleanly with better bass extension, clarity and a smoother high end than my W22’s and W2. Again, this is not black and white, but is a nicer shade of grey cool .

If cost is a factor I think anyone would be very happy with M22 on-walls (with a good sub of course), but if you want that little bit extra, the M5HP OnWall’s are a nice upgrade.

I have a lot more to learn and experiment with these speakers, however the introduction was good enough to commit to the long term!


Dan
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Re: Introducing the M5 and QS10
Ian #425326 05/02/17 12:01 AM
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I patiently await the arrival of my M5HP OnWall's...

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Re: Introducing the M5 and QS10
Ian #425328 05/02/17 03:24 AM
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Hurray

Finally got that wonderful Email saying my QS10 have shipped {Standard Boston Cherry} Should reach the West Coast Friday.

Can't wait
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Re: Introducing the M5 and QS10
cb919 #425329 05/02/17 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted By cb919
All, here’s a summary of initial impressions of the M5 HP On-Wall speakers compared to my existing in/on wall M22/M2/M22 LCR combo.

Nice writeup; glad to hear the new speakers are working for you.

The pictures helped a lot re: relative size of W22 vs the new speakers - looks like the M5HP on-walls get their volume from being wider & deeper rather than taller as I had expected. Thanks for including the video of your dog singing along with the pink noise tests - I don't normally watch animal videos but I loved that one.

I had missed your earlier post about M2 vs VP150 center channel but enjoyed reading that (plus associated comments) as well.

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Re: Introducing the M5 and QS10
bridgman #425334 05/02/17 02:55 PM
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@pdermody - I feel your pain - they must be shipping soon! Are the M5's replacing existing on wall speakers for you?


@brendo - Excellent! Looking forward to hearing about the QS10's. they may be on my hit list next. While tesing the M5's my wife actually asked if there were matching surround speakers for the new ones. grin

@bridgman - Thanks. I hope some people find the writeup useful. I don't usually do animal videos either but this was an exception.

I had more details but had already written a novel so decided to end where I did. However male vocals in particular also sound better with the M5's. I searched out Morgan Freeman movies on Netflix to test this. Even Dave Matthews voice on the talking between songs had more depth as well.
Another plus is simply having the exact same speaker for LCR I think makes for a more seamless front sound stage. I have much more listening and tweaking to go with these but wanted to get something out there for anyone trying to decide on M5's vs M22's. Your M60 comparo is very interesting reading too.

Cheers,


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Re: Introducing the M5 and QS10
Ian #425335 05/02/17 04:19 PM
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Nah not replacing anything, they are for a new dedicated room for audio/video - well I should say semi dedicated as it serves another purpose as well... I ordered 3 as I wanted a matching center as all of them will be behind a 120" AT screen.

I have another Axiom setup in the living room consisting of M80Ti's/QS8's (2003 vintage) with a VP160 and a older SVS 20-39 PC+ sub. There use to be a VP150 in that mix but I finally upgraded it as I couldn't ignore how bad it sounded anymore (maybe something wrong with it, not sure - never sounded right but life happened and I ignored it beyond warranty)

That said, I did just get my tracking numbers so with any luck maybe I can set them up this Sunday and have a listen.

-pd

Re: Introducing the M5 and QS10
pdermody #425336 05/02/17 05:21 PM
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Excellent on the tracking numbers! Since you're behind an AT screen, just curious why you chose on-walls instead of full size model?


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Re: Introducing the M5 and QS10
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Small converted room, and trying to maximize the throw of the projector.

-pd

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pdermody #425388 05/05/17 01:50 PM
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Makes sense. Looking forward to reading what you think of them. I hope they've arrived safe and sound.


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