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#431065 - 01/24/19 11:50 AM Re: Speaker height [Re: bman84]
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Have you tried a pure tone? Like 40Hz? Do you have a known good sub you can try with that cable to rule the cable out?
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#431066 - 01/24/19 12:01 PM Re: Speaker height [Re: bman84]
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For reference, my 800v4 is at 1/3 gain on its knob, my Onk turns it down an additional 2 dB and it shakes the whole house when called for in movies and it's freakin' amazing with music. That's in a 4,200 cu. ft. room. You'd have no idea a sub is in the system because it blends so darned well.
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#431067 - 01/24/19 12:06 PM Re: Speaker height [Re: Mojo]
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Originally Posted By Mojo
Have you tried a pure tone? Like 40Hz? Do you have a known good sub you can try with that cable to rule the cable out?


Yep. My cheap 50W 10" ported Polk sounds like it has better output. I'm baffled
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#431068 - 01/24/19 12:11 PM Re: Speaker height [Re: bman84]
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Sub defect. Send an e-mail to Deb at Axiom explaining the above. I'd hate to see you lose out on that absolutely amazing bass.

Good call by the way on setting everything up and trying it out before sticking it in the walls.

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#431070 - 01/24/19 01:00 PM Re: Speaker height [Re: Mojo]
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Originally Posted By Mojo
Sub defect. Send an e-mail to Deb at Axiom explaining the above. I'd hate to see you lose out on that absolutely amazing bass.

Good call by the way on setting everything up and trying it out before sticking it in the walls.


Yep I looped her in last week.

The testing seemed like a good idea, until I cranked the volume and an M5 knocked itself over with bass output. The M3s stay put though. I'm pretty blown away by how good just a pair of M3s can sound. Even the in-ceiling ones with the floating tweeter sound great.
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#431076 - 01/24/19 02:28 PM Re: Speaker height [Re: bman84]
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Yeah...that's exactly what I discovered with the M3s. And as you know, I wasn't an M3 fan. However when you set M3s and M5s side-by-side, there is a big difference in everything. The limiting factor in your system now is the electronics - and I'm not talking about power but rather finesse that only great quality electronic design can dish up. I just found that out last night.
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#431077 - 01/24/19 02:51 PM Re: Speaker height [Re: Mojo]
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Originally Posted By Mojo
The limiting factor in your system now is the electronics - and I'm not talking about power but rather finesse that only great quality electronic design can dish up. I just found that out last night.


You're talking about clean amplification? I've gotta say that the ADA1000-3 sounds great to my ears (noticeably better than my Denon 4500H when driving the same speakers). I have the space to go with separates on all channels some day (big dedicated media closet with dual 20amp dedicated circuits) being built as we speak.
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#431078 - 01/24/19 03:09 PM Re: Speaker height [Re: bman84]
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Clean amplification but also clean pre-amplification. Imagine how much better it would all sound with a clean pre-amp. I very much doubt that Denon's pre-amp is clean. I know my Onk's isn't.

I now know I need to pitch my once beloved Onk over my neighbor's roof and buy a pristine pre/pro. The question is, how do I judge "pristine" from spec sheets?

I want to pair a pristine pre/pro with Axiom active speakers.
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#431079 - 01/24/19 03:20 PM Re: Speaker height [Re: bman84]
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Probably true, which would explain the slight hiss I can only detect with my ear right next to the speaker. What floors me is that dedicated pre-amps cost more than receivers despite needing external amplification. I'll wait until I feel an extreme upgrade itch or midlife crisis to go that route. The current upgrade is already lightyears ahead of my old Klipsch HTIB with budget Yamaha receiver.


Edited by bman84 (01/24/19 03:23 PM)
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#431080 - 01/24/19 03:23 PM Re: Speaker height [Re: bman84]
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I know how you feel. Read my second last post right here:

https://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthreads.php/topics/431074/Re:_Out_with_the_old_and_in_wi#Post431074
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