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I don't believe the method of testing for single frequencies is an adequate methodology.

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You keep saying this, and yet I don't think anyone in this thread, or the author of the 'rant' chess linked, has argued the opposite, nor have you responded to those arguing for testing with regular music, which I assume you'd be fine with. To quote Peter:

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I, too, believe that scientific tests should be tempered with real-world listening. That's why double-blind tests are so appropriate. They involve listening to actual music, not test tones. They involve using your ears. They involve the concept of repeatability.

If you listen to two dissimilar receivers alternately swapped into a system, and you are never aware which component is currently active, you should be able to reliably hear a difference in the sound if all receivers of similar quality don't sound the same. This is a real-world, ears-only test -- no gadgets other than an SPL meter to level match the receivers are used.

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As far as I know, this is how most double-blind tests are performed - with regular music. How do you feel about this (I'm being honest - I don't think I've caught a response from you regarding double-blind testing).

Oh, and also:

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Reference 3a De Capo mm speakers are a steal at $2,500 a pair (book shelf size).

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Some might argue whether $2500 is a steal for bookshelf speakers.

was just yanking your chain. i too purchased w/out listening; sure glad they turned out to be more than i hoped they would be. coming from massachusetts, i would describe them as pissa.
dan

2dan-your from mass., huh.. now from here on out, everytime i read your posts, i will use my 'boston rob' voice from survivor.

i hope "pissa" means good, cause down here in texas, we dont use that word do describe anything as being good. unless you been drinkin alot of beer, then pissa is a very good, realeaving thing.

bigjohn

bj, if it's really good, the it's wicked pissa

Just an initial warning: I don't mean to insult anyone and I love you all. This is a product of very little sleep.

For those who skimmed this thread, here's a quick recap (with apologies and winks where appropriate):

chessroo: Check this out- more proof there really aren't gremlins inside of speakers.

assorted folks: Cool, that's good to know-- I'll stop stuffing food down the gorilla port.

2x6spds: scientific reductionism is *so* mid-1900s. We're in the postmodern era- who are you to say there aren't gremlins in speakers?

assorted folks: gremlins?!? HAHAHA

Raindance: No wait, guys- 2x might have a point.

assorted folks: gremlins?!? HAHAH...

Raindance: Not exactly gremlins in the normal sense of the word, but there might be some properties of speakers or amps that aren't easy to measure or conduct double-blind tests on. [I took the liberty of conveniently adding on that last bit here, even though I never said it- RD]

eightmanvt: I wish I had $15000 to blow on an amp!

pmbuko: so... if no one can hear the difference repeatedly in tests, what makes you think the difference is there (if you can't see it, feel it, smell it, hear it, taste it, then...)? What are you smoking, anyway?

pmbuko: oh yeah, and science rocks!

bigjohn: avocados rock!

tomtuttle: you guys are crazy.

BigWillI like monkeys.

pmbuko: me too.

various folks: We like food.

2x6spds: well, I don't like food. I do like my speakers. You lack understanding, grasshopper- your way of understanding speakers- to wit, your science- is weak.

pmbuko and kcarlile: you science hater!!

2x6spds: I didn't mean that the way you took it. And anyway, are we really talking about science here?

chessroo: Yes we are.

bigjohn: I'm an addict- I need help!

BigWill: 2x6spds, don't you remember-- the first rule of gremlin club is you do not talk about...

2x6spds: nevermind that- I think I have a scientific point here.

Raindance: Science does rock, pmbuko. But hey, this guy who wrote the article is a fake!

BrenR: can't we all be scientific and get along?

AdamP88: I don't get along with those who don't like double-blind listening tests!!

bigjohn: I like beer.

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To be continued...

Post of the Year!

Unfortunately, it could apply to so many threads besides this one.

Thank you, Mike. That is hilarious.

HAHA, yes.. i think that pretty much covers it. funny stuff man..

avocados- GOOD
beer- GOOD
avocados & beer together- NOT GOOD

and gremlins taste delicious with maple syrup.

bigjohn

Raindance, you not only rock, you grock!!

And...I do wish I had 15000 dollars to toss around...but it would go towards a boat!!

Absolutely FABULOUS post! You must be one of those people who are most creative when they are sleep deprived, and exhausted. I've had that experience too. BRAVO! BRAVO!