Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Home Theater M100s?

The best way to tweak speaker position is 2-channel in phase and out of phase pink noise.

In phase should come from a well-defined point dead centre. With my actives, that point is more like a medicine ball. It's very righteous.

Out of phase shows you the relative response left vs. right. If your speakers are placed symmetrically in your room, the responses should be equal. If not, the one closer to the sidewall will have a diminished response relative to the other.

With a good sound system (which includes room and placement), you should not have to play loud to experience emotional fulfillment. Since I added more subs, I've been able to turn the volume down even further. I love it!

first and only rule of this thread, DO NOT discuss exchanges, please don't mess up the good thing Covid has working for us ALL, lol, seriously though, not kidding... after 45 days = no return, I have found that is the maximum amount of time a wife can wait while boxes pile up in the living room, or the reasonable amount of time a judge can expect a "normal" wife to wait...Laughing My Ass Off!. btw, anyone that has worked with Axiom in the past knows they care more about your experience than returning old speakers. I have first hand experience in that regard... and lets be honest, they are literally the only speaker company brave enough to have a forum and for good reason. I have three businesses and i'm scared shitless to let all my customers post online.. although I must admit i'm considering it now. maybe it's the way of the future. you just need a little mojo on your side to keep an eye on things.

Yeah, I think it's better to find out from your own boards than the boards of others. And if some are very pleased, they may be motivated to help others experience the goodness.

Why don't the two of you play house with all the boxes? Get the kids in on it. LOL!

Thats a very true statement as most people can't hear that low. I was in a listening room last week with martin logans, B&Ws, and some SVS subs among other brands. A guy asked the sales rep about the svs subs and he explained that they knock hard and fast and not as musical as some others. I have an SVS 2000 next to an EP600 and can say I bought the Axiom because of the specs, but the 600 is seriously more musical, gentle, and easier to listen to. I've positioned the SVS2000 towards the couch so it vibrates the seats which is good fun, but when enjoying great music or showing off the system I have to turn it off. I've learned from spending a shit load of money these last few weeks, it's not about specs or how low a speaker can go, it's about how it sounds getting there. I've also learned that the cabinet size makes a huge difference in sound quality.

Perhaps the 600 cabinet size only changes the sound so much, but I can say that the look with the high gloss white finish completes our room. I only wish I got the 800 now. lol

Canes, I'd bet you can retrieve more detailed imaging from the M100s with XT32 engaged. You may want to try correcting just the 100s and not the 600. Set the cross-over to 80Hz on the Denon and leave the 600 wide open.

Rebulx, there's still room in there for the 800 when you get rid of the boxes.

lol, I literally had a whole other room just for the boxes But don't tempted me mojo, the 800 would be fun, but due to my room size it would be more for looks than actual sound.


Are you recommending the 100s at an 80hz crossover? The low bass extension on the 100s are amazing. I can also speak from experience when stating that a new receiver with an updated DAC will make a huge difference in sound quality. Also an external amp makes a big improvement as well.

I've found 80Hz works best. With my 100s, I used to switch between 80 for movies and 60 for music. With the M5s, M50s, M2s and M3s, I use 80. I also find it difficult to align speakers with the rest of the system when the speakers are playing wide open. Group delay comes into play and the bass does not sound as "fast" as it can be.

Some say "I got these great speakers that go down to 30Hz and I paid for that and want to use them down that low". I say if that works in your room, go for it. Otherwise, rest assured your speakers will go down that low, even with the 80Hz cross-over, and the entire system consisting of room, speakers, electronics and ears-brain will work better. The speakers just won't be as loud down there and that's OK.

I've found the actives play wide open much better than any other Axiom. Nonetheless, at an 80Hz cross-over they sound better particularly with multiple subs. They play much better because they are more linear. There's only so much a designer can do with passive speakers and I'm pretty sure Axiom optimized the v4 as best as anyone possibly could within the current architecture. I realized this immediately when I first got my M5v4.

Mojo - I have both the 180 and the 100s crossed over at 80 and the 600 crossed over at 100. I only have the gain at about 3/4 on the 600 right now. Do you think I should open it up more?

It's a good question. The best answer I can provide is you ought to experiment. I'll tell you about my experience. Yours could end up being different.

With a single 800, I had the 800 knob set to 80Hz which was the same as the Onk's cross-over. Wide open absolutely sounded not that good.

With the 800 and dual 500s, I ended up with the 800 at 40Hz and the dual 500s at 80Hz. Again, wide open did not sound that good.

With the 800, dual 500s and dual 600s, they are all set wide open (150Hz) and the Onk is set to 80Hz. It sounds more full, more transparent and more "musical" that way. It's the best I've ever heard anywhere.

So let your listening be your guide. Ultimately of course, equipment and listening is ideal.