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Re: AVR specs explained - need more power?
Mojo #440229 12/22/20 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Mojo
Unless you are rocking a super duper cartridge and arm, your system is unlikely to produce anything below 30Hz. M80s will get you close and M100s will definitely reproduce even lower.

Do you really need the center? Maybe you can answer that by experimenting with a v4 front when you receive it.

Running a Yamaha P220(nothing fancy) with a Rega mini A2D
Bass sounds as it should, maybe a tad light.

I ran HT duties without a Center Channel for about a year, I doubt the V4 M80 would make me want to go back to that... don't know until you try I guess. The VP180 is a great speaker, possibly overkill though.


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Re: AVR specs explained - need more power?
minorc #440232 12/22/20 03:20 AM
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I agree the 180 is a great center channel, matches up perfectly (as it should) with the 80s.
What I hear I like. Although, my Theater isn’t very wide so most certainly I’m losing out compared to everyone with wider spaces. My mains and center are only v3 but I would rather have a center channel than not.
YMMV

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Re: AVR specs explained - need more power?
minorc #440235 12/22/20 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by minorc
Hey Gents,

Apologies.

My centre channel is now on stands, off the floor, has been since March.
I want to keep a full range tower as my mains, not only for visuals but for vinyl listening which I'm also now into. Haven't figured out if I can add a sub for 2 channel vinyl listening yet, nor have I figured I needed one.

Guess I'm hunting for the next "wow factor" item.

For Wow factor:

Option 1. Theater centric. My vote.
-Blackout blinds behind your slat wood blinds.

-Falsewall extended down from beam bulkhead to floor. Fabric stretched on it with acoustically transparent screen.

-Acoustic panels behind screen.

-Shrink screen to proper size.

Option 2. Music centric

-move sub to center of front wall.

-large QRD diffuser on front wall.

-acoustic panels on sidewalls near speakers

-retract screen when not in use

For both setups -learn to use Dirac. Focus on the room and integration. Lots of wow factor left on the table you have available.

I would not recommend buying or upgrading anything until you sort your room out. You already have great speakers and power on hand. smile

Re: AVR specs explained - need more power?
minorc #440237 12/22/20 02:18 PM
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So we finished taking all of the walls down. We are back to concrete foundation and studs. We decided to gut the room and start anew getting all of the wires and insulation in behind the walls and ceilings. The speakers still sound good even with no walls up. Hopefully by spring time we will have it put back together and I am also running zone 2 speakers out to our patio to add exterior speakers for the hot tub and eventually the pool area. Has anyone heard Axiom's outdoor speakers? I was thinking of putting 4 speakers across the patio area.


LFR1100
VP180HP
EP600
M3 In Ceiling x 4
M5OW
M2 - Atmos rears
ADA1500.5
M3 Outdoor Speakers
ADA 1000.8
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minorc #440238 12/22/20 03:21 PM
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Canes, you may as well do your room right the second time. Make the room anti-standing wave by building non-parallel surfaces. That means a tilted ceiling, and trapezoidal walls. 14 foot thick insulation on the rear wall with no drywall will do wonders for bass. As for wiring, you want to come up with a system that allows for future flexibility. You may want to do 16-channel down the road.

Commission Ian to build you on-wall and on-ceiling active LFRs for all channels.

An equipment room would be ideal because you damned well know you'll be running ADA-1500 amps for every channel in the future.

Make us proud, man. Trevor will guide you. smile

Edit: I heard the Algonquins and they are very good for outside. Maybe the v4 are even better if they have a "real" cross-over like the M3v4. It would be awesome to have an 800 out there too. Ian can build you a weather-resistant 800 with a splash shield over the amp plate and resin epoxy over the cabinet. A one-of-a-kind! Make sure Ian signs that one.

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Re: AVR specs explained - need more power?
minorc #440241 12/22/20 08:41 PM
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I need outdoor speakers to play loud enough that people on the blue ridge parkway will be able to hear, 1 mile away across a valley. I tried to talk to my wife about building the room with a tilted ceiling but she wouldn't go for it. I told her it would be more like a movie theater. She said maybe if we ever enclose the theater room. Going to build false walls with multi layers of insulation and dual layers of drywall with green goo on the false wall. It's going to be a project since we will be doing the work ourselves. I want to block off one of the offsets and make it a mechanical room if she doesn't want to block off that area i'll have everything on racks and tucked away.


LFR1100
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EP600
M3 In Ceiling x 4
M5OW
M2 - Atmos rears
ADA1500.5
M3 Outdoor Speakers
ADA 1000.8
Re: AVR specs explained - need more power?
minorc #440242 12/22/20 08:41 PM
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And yes I will be adding ADA-1500s at some point too.


LFR1100
VP180HP
EP600
M3 In Ceiling x 4
M5OW
M2 - Atmos rears
ADA1500.5
M3 Outdoor Speakers
ADA 1000.8
Re: AVR specs explained - need more power?
minorc #440243 12/22/20 09:07 PM
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I don't know how much ceiling or wall tilt you need but likely not enough to be noticeable.

Yeah, I want to hear your outdoor speakers all the way up here! So you need weatherized active LFR1500s then. laugh

It's great your lady will be involved in this and doing labor to boot.


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Re: AVR specs explained - need more power?
minorc #440245 12/22/20 09:31 PM
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She will be making sure the room looks nice and neat. Her only complaint is that the 100s sit too far out from the wall. I told her once the walls are up the room will tell us how far away from the wall they need to be. She just looked at me like I was crazy.


LFR1100
VP180HP
EP600
M3 In Ceiling x 4
M5OW
M2 - Atmos rears
ADA1500.5
M3 Outdoor Speakers
ADA 1000.8
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minorc #440246 12/22/20 10:31 PM
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Canes, you have become the room whisperer. To appear more mysterious, look at her out the corner of your eye while stroking your chin.


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