Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Home Theater Need some advice, soon to make some big purchases!

Oh, how I'd love to be the guy to hand this guy's a** to him on a plate after demonstrating the QS8s for him.

Well, I think he's just trying to sell some speakers, but I think he's blowing smoke in order to do so.

I love how he implied that bipoles ADD special effects to the signal.

"At the core of the debate is whether special added effects are more important than accuracy of reproduction."

Bipole surrounds don't ADD anything to, or subtract anything from, the signal. They simply diffuse the signal provided.

As an intersesting side point, I should mention that I hooked up the QS4s to the front channels in place of the M50s the day I got them (since I didn't have the cables, studfinder, anywhere to put the things on the sides of the couch, etc.) and listened at low volumes to make sure that all the drivers were operating. They didn't sound too bad in front. (I had them standing on one side so as not to obscure the woofer.) A bit diffuse, but not as much as I expected.

You may or may not like the sound of Axioms, but if you buy some you will likely be extremely happy with the QS8s. They do not color the sound at all. They do provide surprising amounts of bass. They do match my M60s perfectly - I mean perfectly.
I don't understand all that talk about colorations, even TonyGeno had no timbre-matching issues with them!

Thanks everyone,
I do plan to buy the Denon 2805 from him as they beat Ultimate Elec. and American Elec. by $150 bucks, still higher than the internet dealers but I feel more comfortable buying locally in case of warranty issues.

Jack, I bet your right, he would love for me to buy some B&W's from his store, however, the 703's I liked are twice the money as the M80's. I could look at the DM604 S3's which are about the same price...

One thing I haven't got answered yet is for my rears do I want more QS8's or maybe Qs4's? I didn't think much was produced from the rear channels, and I could save a little money?

Also, there is no wall to the right of my listening area and it seems I read a post once on this site that a person stated it sounded like he had 2 Qs8's on one side since there was no wall for the sound to bounce off of.....

I wanted to thank you all again for your input, something inside of me keeps telling me to just get the Da#% Axioms and be done with it

Randy

"It is pronounced Iowa, not Iowaaaaaaa"

Ah, the old 7.1 question... Most 7.1 users around here go for QSx for the side and Mx for the rears (M2/M22 are the most common). For the 6.1 crowd, it's a 3rd QSx for the rear. I'll let others explain it, since I'm still trying to figure out if I'm actually hearing surround sound out of my QS4s or just a lovely little semicircle of sound just in front of me.

I hate to bring this back up because it sounds like you have your mind made up, but I think if your surrounds are going to be very far away from the LP (like say 10-15ft) then maybe the direct radiating speaker would work well - having more room to disperse the sound. If your surrounds are going to be close, then definitely QS8s (or 4s).
Like kcarlie said, for 7.1 most people here seem to opt for m2s in the back.

Qoute from Alan
I even prefer QS8s for multichannel music reproduction as well.
I too am debating the back surround decision. I have 2 60's 150 front and 2 qsm sides. BTW to sirquack I have moved my couch 1 foot behind, equal to, and 1 foot in front of the qs8's which are 6" off the ceiling and 4 ft above listening position and you really can't tell the difference,you don't have to have them set up behind you, they seem awesome in any arrangement.I don't know about your salewsman, but my ears tell me these are great speakers. I am 13' from the front and I have 13' behind me so i am still not sure which way i will go on backs. Alan seems to prefer that the ambient sound even on Sacd is better served with qs8's rather than direct radiators and I am leaning that way.

Here is an address that will take you to a drawing I quickly created in Microsoft Paint.

http://www.freewebs.com/dkma/pics/htroom3.jpg

I didn't draw the entire room, as I didn't think you guys cared about where to pool table and BAR are going to be...Anyway, this gives you an idea about how much of the left side of the room will be used for the HT area.
* I have 9' ceilings and the Projector, Surrounds/Rears will be mounted from the ceiling, I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to mount the QS8's or 4's, I may build a DIY mount so I can allow enough room for the top driver to breath...
* I'm guessing the surrounds will be about 6 ft. to each side of row#2 which is elevated to see over row#1. The rears will be about 5 ft. behind the back row.

So based on what we've been discussing and seeing that lovely Picasso, what do you think....Randy

In reply to:

---

BTW to sirquack I have moved my couch 1 foot behind, equal to, and 1 foot in front of the qs8's which are 6" off the ceiling and 4 ft above listening position and you really can't tell the difference,you don't have to have them set up behind you, they seem awesome in any arrangement.

---

izub, THANK YOU. You just saved me some time, buddy. Believe it or not, I was going to move the couch around to try that this afternoon. My QS8s are 35" above the LP, and 6 inches in front of it. During movies, sound effects from directly behind sound like they are coming from a speaker mounted in the wall 18" behind my head. At times, I'm looking at the QS8 wondering how they just did that, instead of watching the movie. My girlfriend just laughs at me (after saying "wow!" on many ocassions).

I have to agree that they are excellent for multichannel music as well. They do not change the sound of music, but they simply make it impossible to localize the direction that it is coming from. The fronts and center build the "stage", and the QS8s just distribute the music to every corner of the room. They add to the feel of listening to a live act on a stage by not creating 2 distinct soundstages. You don't feel like the same band is playing both in front of you, and behind you, at the same time. I've experienced this effect before, and it was annoying.

Last comment. The QS8s make the surround sound experience in my HT sound better than any other HT I have ever listened to. That is all I can say.