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#337677 - 02/09/11 02:32 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: tomtuttle]
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yeah, I know. Just kinda looking for a means to discredit the conclusion. Alan seems to have issue - with the conclusion that is wink
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#337685 - 02/09/11 04:05 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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I've stopped subscribing to all the mags (and I've gotten an awful lot over the years) because I realized that I primarily got them for the pictures... and when I found out about airbrushing... the pictures couldn't be trusted.

I think this is what you meant to say, Mark.
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#337690 - 02/09/11 04:20 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: pmbuko]
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There's always Perfect Ten magazine.
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#337708 - 02/09/11 06:52 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: BlueJays1]
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Man those M60s have a huge bump below 200Hz and above 10kHz in the S&V graph. It almost looks like a smiley EQ. That doesn't look very linear to me. Axiom should offer a pad down on the tweeter for those wanting a more laid back sound. I don't recall the V2's measuring like this. I wonder if this is a deliberate design change to go after more casual listeners?

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#337709 - 02/09/11 06:54 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JBall]
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Jeezus people, it's in room, and it's bloody 3 dB! the rating is +/-3dB!
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#337710 - 02/09/11 06:57 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: Ken.C]
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S&V typically does nearfield close miced measurements. I don't think this is in-room. If it was in-room, it still won't explain the bass bump which is too low Q. The bump above 10Khz would be room independent. It looks to me the tweeter output is too high or the mic was placed too high. S&V should have better documented how they did the measurement.

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#337714 - 02/09/11 07:16 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JBall]
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Comparing the S&V graph to the Axiom graph (http://www.axiomaudio.com/gallery_m60ti_diagram.html), if you mentally move the S&V graph over the Axiom graph, they're very similar. The S&V graph has a little teeny higher response in the >10K range (probably maybe 1 dB--not much), but over all, veyr similar. But mysteriously, the Axiom graph looks a lot prettier--because it's not zoomed in like the S&V graph. Gotta look at scale.
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#337715 - 02/09/11 07:19 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: Ken.C]
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Here is a measurement of a Revel speaker by the same reviewer. Notice no bumps below 100Hz or above 10kHz. I am pretty sure the bumps in the Axiom are NOT room related since Brent is a credible reviewer that tests products in a similar fashion each time.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/content/revel-ultima-salon2-stereo-speakers

Wow this makes me salivate to own some Revels smile

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#337716 - 02/09/11 07:21 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: Ken.C]
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Originally Posted By: kcarlile
Comparing the S&V graph to the Axiom graph (http://www.axiomaudio.com/gallery_m60ti_diagram.html), if you mentally move the S&V graph over the Axiom graph, they're very similar. The S&V graph has a little teeny higher response in the >10K range (probably maybe 1 dB--not much), but over all, veyr similar. But mysteriously, the Axiom graph looks a lot prettier--because it's not zoomed in like the S&V graph. Gotta look at scale.


Yes the Axiom measurement scale is too large to really see anything. I much prefer the S&V zoomed in graph.

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#337736 - 02/09/11 09:39 PM Re: Sound & Vision mag reviews M60's [Re: JBall]
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I still can't hear a damn thing from that graph.
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