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#37411 - 03/17/04 03:08 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
Ray3 Offline

Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2854
Loc: Rochester, NY
Normally - and this is just me talking out loud - I tend to ignore input from guys wearing tin foil, but this is sage advice!!!!

#37412 - 03/17/04 03:26 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
Ajax Offline

Registered: 12/30/03
Posts: 6331
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
I auditioned some Rocket RS150s against my Axiom 22tis. I chose those models because they were the same price. That's quite different from 750s vs. M60s of course, but I preferred the Axioms. IMHO, the Rockets lacked the "clarity" of the Axioms. Strangely I found them very similar in the highs, but I felt the Axioms were stronger in the midrange. Because of this I thought the Axioms had a superior "sound stage," and spacial quality.

But then, what do I know?

The Rockets sure were purty, though

"People generally quarrel because they cannot argue." - G. K. Chesterton

#37413 - 03/17/04 07:30 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
JohnK Offline
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Registered: 05/11/02
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DR, that "theory" has little or no application in audio; there's very little correlation between price and sound quality. My own M22s compare well with a highly-praised similarly-sized pair that cost about six times as much. I'd think that a similar situation applies in the case of the M60s.

Enjoy the music, not the equipment.

#37414 - 03/17/04 11:03 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
mhorgel Offline

Registered: 10/02/03
Posts: 438
Loc: Louisville, KY
In reply to:

I only have about 30 minutes a night during the week to fool around with this stuff.

After you get your Axioms hooked up, you WILL find more than 30 minutes a day to fool with this stuff. I guarantee you will be listening to music and watching movies for several hours each and every day. Food? Sleep? That stuff is for guys with inferior equipment!

"Shoot, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff"

#37415 - 03/18/04 12:07 AM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
tinfoilhat Offline

Registered: 07/26/02
Posts: 206
Loc: BC
Sheesh. You make one poor fashion decision and no one lets you forget it.

#37416 - 03/18/04 04:01 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
drmurray Offline
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Registered: 11/09/03
Posts: 14
Loc: New Hampshire, USA

Appreciate all the interest. Today's update:

First of all, I have to come clean. I must admit that management has directed me to post here to make the rest of you guys look smarter. I wasn't supposed to admit this, but hey...isn't it obvious? You guys are no dummies. You can see through this...


Last night I achieved a major break through by actually hooking up a monitor via a Rube Goldberg type link thru a broken VCR using a coax in. Nobody told me you needed a monitor to set up these two Denon beasts! Geez...Here I am trying to figure out what the heck is going on and I can't see any of the menus.

Anyway, that was a big break through and now I have sound! That was quite an accomplishment. Luckily I had enough beer to last through the setup process. The monitor setup was huge because I found out that the default setting on the AVR is for multi-channel and all I want now is 2 channel. I am only focusing on the two speakers for 30 days and I will worry about subwoofers and projectors later.

A few questions for you guys:
1. Someone here brought up a great point- why not the M80's vs the 750's? I originally requested the M80's, but the Axiom salesman on the line suggested M60's. He said my reciever wasn't good enough for the M80's and too many flaws would be exposed in my electronics. So I ordered the M60's. On retrospect, this may not be a fair match.

Here's my setup:
I have a 850 sq foot open basement. I have a Denon 4802 AVR (which is next to their top of the line) and of course the Denon 5900 unniversal DVD player. The room will be a combo theater/ gameroom. I anticipate being able to watch a sporting event or listen to tunes while playing pool or foosball. I do have some issues with the placement of my speakers which I will discuss later. I am guessing about a 50/50% of music to movies, with a possible edge toward music.

What do you think of the M60's vs. the M80's for my sitaution?

2. Do the M60's need to be raised?
3. Is there a breakin period?
4. Does anybody on this thread have a 5900 DVD player? I have some questions specific to that.

All for now. Thanks for your interest.


#37417 - 03/18/04 04:19 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
alan Offline


Registered: 01/29/02
Posts: 3258
Loc: Toronto/New York/parry Sound

Hmmm. That's odd. Who did you talk to at Axiom? Too many flaws will be exposed in the electronics? That's nonsense.

The M60s are easier to locate and move about (not as heavy), but assuming an 8-ft ceiling, you have 6,800 cu ft to fill. Actually, the M60s will be play very loud so you should be fine, but the aforementioned comments puzzle me.

I would have suggested the M80s for that enormous basement, particularly since you have the Denon 4802. Did the Axiom guy know that? All the Denons will drive M80s; likewise the H/Ks. They are the only brands of A/V receivers I recommend for the M80s (new NAD as well).

In answer to your other questions:

2. No.
3. Break-in is a myth. You are breaking in your brain and ears to a new set of reproducers in a new acoustical setting. The characteristics of the speaker do not change, even over years.
4. Don't know. Try the Denon site.

Alan Lofft,
Axiom Resident Expert (Retired)

#37418 - 03/18/04 04:24 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
ringmir Offline

Registered: 02/03/04
Posts: 619
Loc: boston
Doc... I can't answer your post unfortunately. But I am jealous of your system. I can say that the 4802 should be fine with the m80s, so I'm not entirely sure why you were directed to the m60s.

My foosball table is sitting in the enclosed porch at the moment, where it is a little too cold to get frequent use. My pool table is still sitting in the pool hall and I have to pay by the hour to play it...I guess in a sense it isn't really mine...
[black]-"The further we go and older we grow, the more we know, the less we show."[/black]

#37419 - 03/18/04 04:46 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
Ray3 Offline

Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 2854
Loc: Rochester, NY
The "Axiom guy"??? I'm glad Alan jumped on this piece. That is total BS - Denons are excellent. I would echo Alan's comments on the M80s. Ok if you want to spend the additional $300, but not required. The M60s will carry the load just fine. All you gain is some extra loudificationism and a small testosterone surge when you see the M80s. Given what you saved on the Denon stuff (you dog), go for the M80s. It won't hurt and you won't suffer from "what if".

Anyhow, get on over to the AVS forum and go to the DVD Player section. There is a huge 5900 thread over there started by "Levesque" that you should read. Set aside some time. This thing goes from intro to current and is incredibly detail specific. Since you HAD to get a 5900 (color me green with envy), you owe it to yourself to see this thread.

Also, I am glad to see you broke the code. A good HT experience always requires an adequate beer supply. Or Wine. Or Bourbon. Or (fill-in the blank).

#37420 - 03/18/04 04:56 PM Re: M60's vs Rockets Home Audtion saga
spiffnme Offline

Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 5233
Loc: Los Angeles
I too question the advice you got regarding why not to get the M80's. Those Denon pieces are pretty top notch stuff. (I'd kill for a 5900!)

Having said that though, I think you're going to be pretty surprised by the M60's. They'll hold their own.

"A nation cannot prosper long, when it favors only the prosperous." -President Barack Obama

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