Not sure if I agree 100% with ya hutt. The equipment, including the "ear buds" or a better pair of "buds" can make a world of distance. To me the stock Creative had much better sound than the new Ipods, but that is just me. They don't distort at higher levels like the Ipods, especially in the bass category.


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