Well there doesn't seem to be consensus here. Having read this forum for several months I am not surprised. But I am nowhere closer to a decision on the receiver. Let's go another direction. Since M60's are another possibility, what are your opinions with respect to its performance vis-a-vis the M80's at moderate levels (around 85db) for listening to classical music? I suppose I would miss some of the lower bass. Again I am not interested in a sub...yet.