Thanks John and your are right, for the most part my center as always frustrated me. Don't get me wrong I have wanted the 80s since I bought the 60s. But no matter what I do either the center is to low and I cant hear the voices during the action. Or there's just voice no action, I heard rumors of a 4 ohm VP does any one know about it.

Also I am not rich but I have found that you can sell certain used items, from certain brands. For almost what you paid for them I have already sold my m60s for 650. I think I paid 900, so in my mind I spent 250 to use the heck out of the speakers for over 5 years. And I have to say in my mind that is excellent my brother gave 8000 on some B&Ws he used them about a year and got back 4800. A waste imo thanks


M80s QS8s VP150 SVS 25-31 Rotel RSX-1560