Thanks, I think I have resolved the problem. I found an article on the internet that said BR sub levels are -10db and corrected by the reciever on digital input. With analog that correction never takes place and has to be done manually. According to the article all BR discs are this way. I increased the sub output in my avr on the analog inputs by +10db and now it's perfect. Funny thing is I still have no test tone to the sub from the BR, not that it really matters at this point.