man, i was all ready to order the 2803 from ecost when I hit calculate shipping and saw the $50 shipping and $7 handling fees. Kind of makes it less of a good deal when you tack that on to the $449 cost =( Maybe I am just being picky. Is the receiver good at $500? Last receiver I had was a cheapy Yamaha (dont know number) that was about $200 new when I bought it at Bestbuy 6 years ago.