I must disagree about Summerall.

Yes, he is a legend, but he is very much the epitome of "hanging on for too long". He makes mistakes and is very....what is the word or phrase I am looking for.....he seems to disappear into his own world. It bothers me to see once great people descend in the public eye...and he definitely misses far too many things within the games. Remembering the calls of Madden and Summerall and the Cowboys of the 90's...and seeing where he is now is distrubing.

I actually enjoy the Patrick/Thiesman/??? team.... BUT the way Thiesman and the other guy (Paul McGuire??) argue is grating. I think Thiesman is a good piece, but not Paul.

I agree on the Simms thread.

As for the Browns/Bengals...they are both mdeiocre teams...maybe if the merged!!!!
I think the Rams are going to be better as the season goes on...how good will remain to be seen.