theres nothing wrong with the onkyo receiver. its actually very nice. it has all the options a guy could want. you could say i'm little addicted to electronics. addicted is a little strong. but every year about this time i feel the need to upgrade. so i guess it started when i saw the denon 3805. now its moved to wanting an amp to go with it. well after talkin to everyone here today i decided to keep my onkyo and my money. it sounds great so why upgrade now. when i get a bigger room or another factor pops up then i'll upgrade. but thanks all for the input and help.