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Jeeeez guy's does any of this really matter in the big picture? Let's keep this in perspective and move on.

I (Black Sand Cable) gave what I would consider to be a fairly sizeable donation and the one only one who will ever know the amount other then the Red Cross, is me and me alone. Why? That is me but in the end does it matter to the people who need it if it was $5.00 or $50,000? I doubt it.

Give what you can and be happy you got something to give.

If the above is ego stroking, I don't see it but whatever.

I do not read anything in Craigs response to assume anything other than he has contributed what he can comfortably afford.With that being said this is what most people I have talked to have done.When I talked to all our guys at work about giving to a releif fund for the people in NO it was my pleasent suprise that ALL the guys had already done so.I'm sure that we all at work gave an amount we could and to me that is all that counts.

I think you do need to look at the context here. As Craig says, his post was in response to a "so what should we do about all the people who stayed, shoot them ?" question. I think his answer was meant to be (a) yes we have a right to question why those people chose to stay and make life more difficult for everyone else, and (b) asking the question is not an alternative to helping, we are also doing something (a lot) to help everyone affected anyways.

Let's get back to arguing about something else, this is boring

Peter, You are, of course, right.

I thought we were (for the most part) all friends here, and that people would actually like to know (especially in light of the posting about how noone, particularly conservatives, is helping the victims of this tragedy) there was some good going on. I was hoping, as with what occured in the Tsunami thread from last January, that we would see an outpouring of generosity from other members in this forum. I was wrong.

I also left myself open to a negative intrepetation of my intent.

Perhaps the consensus here is that giving should be a private matter.

Please accept my apologies.

>> was hoping, as with what occured in the Tsunami thread from last January, that we would see an outpouring of generosity from other members in this forum. I was wrong.

Just a guess, but I think many of us have already made donations; I know I did as soon as I understood what was happening. The problem is that if the first post says "I donated $10" it's easy for someone else to come along and say "oh yeah, I donated $20" and on it goes.

When the first post is $10K the rest of us just gulp and figure we'll keep quiet about it

For the record, I have great confidence in our individual generosity (and motives), but I did feel that the organized relief effort (from the government agencies we *pay* to be prepared for this kind of thing) was too slow getting started, particularly when the primary problems were a shortage of water and an excess of violence. A couple of extra days can be a serious life/death issue under those conditions.

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I was hoping, as with what occured in the Tsunami thread from last January, that we would see an outpouring of generosity from other members in this forum. I was wrong.

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I'm not going to get drawn into a tit-for-tat pissing contest here; I simply refuse to. But Craig, how can anyone read the above statement and take it as anything but manipulative?

I don't know who is African-American on these boards. I don't know who is Asian, or White or Latino. I don't know who is Catholic, Protestant, Jewish or Muslim. I don't know who is short, who is tall, who is skinny, or who is bald.

I don't know who is struggling to pay their bills. But I do know that one member here has a lot of money. Whether it's discusssions of contributions, cars, or the number of HT systems owned, I've been reminded in posts here, and I think it does smack of flaunting.

Why in the world would I know that, unless you gleefully offered that information here a number of times?

As I said, I will not get pulled into a pissing match here. But I think it's fair to defend Mikes' position (and to not leave him hanging) as I was one person who contacted him via a PM to let him know he was not off-base with his comments. I don't know if there were others.

Wasn't this supposed to be about Katrina?

>>I don't know who is short, who is tall, who is skinny, or who is bald.

I am Protestant, tall and not skinny, if that helps...

Mark, Nice post. Basically, you want to pontificate, insult, then say you refuse to be drawn into a pissing contest.

No problem. You go right on thinking I am gleefully flaunting and manipulative. I won't argue, nor try to sway you.

I really didn't mean for it to escalate to this. You've been a welcome presence on this board for a long time and your experience has been invaluable. I owe you the courtesy of stating more clearly what was on my mind.

The fact that anyone would throw around a specific figure just kind of struck me as self-congratulatory and a little tacky. I suspect many of us don't have ten grand to give away, regardless of how worthy the cause is. In my mind, when you were making your point it would have been a bit more becoming to simply say, "I made a contribution; what did you do?" Instead, it appeared needlessly competitive and kind of thoughtless -- you immediately won that round of the debate because you spent more.

I would definitely like to move past this, and I'm sorry for derailing the thread.

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But I do know that one member here has a lot of money. Whether it's discusssions of contributions, cars, or the number of HT systems owned

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So what if he does ? Most of what we have learned about Craig has been in context to a question being asked.This thread has seriously gone into the toliet.