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If it's 1366x768, it's not 1080i--it's just taking a 1080i input and scaling it. That would by why it's a little crisper on the 1080p set--because it actually has the right number of pixels!
Correct. You won't find any "true" 1080i sets, however there are some 1366x768 sets that won't properly display a 1080i signal.
The only sets you will see with 1920x1080 resolution are 1080p sets, which is why I think it's worth getting a 1080p set even now.
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Jim, after seeing your earlier post, I understand that you dont want to wait as there is always something "better" coming along. I played that game for almost 2 years before my purchase. Since you are going to control room lighting and may want to take advantage of some model close outs before the new stuff comes out this spring summer, I would suggest the Panasonic Plasma (either of the consumer models 60 or 600 series). Its a great display and more bang for the buck compared to Pioneer. If you want to look at a 1080P display, then check out the Sony SXRD 60" or 70" XBR2...not the A2000 ( an ISF calibrator told me the video processor on the XBR2 is superior to the A2000). We sit 14 ft from a 61" 1080P set in a room approx 12x16' and could have easily gone with a 70"set Here is an article explaining resolution a bit better and how some companies claims are not valid http://www.hometheatermag.com/hookmeup/0506halfrez/Here is another explaining seating distance vs 720 vs 1080 http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hitech/1137/maxing-out-resolution.html
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I don't think you're right about that. There were sets that did 1920x1080 at 1080i before 1080p was available. Otherwise, they didn't display 1080i. It's by definition--even if the lines are scanned in 2 separate waves (i), it's still 1080 lines. Which is 1920x1080. Sure there are sets that display a 1080i signal-but they're downscaling. So it's not showing 1080i. Here's an example. Not made anymore, but maxed out at 1080i, had 1920x1080 pixels.
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I don't think you're right about that. There were sets that did 1920x1080 at 1080i before 1080p was available. Otherwise, they didn't display 1080i. It's by definition--even if the lines are scanned in 2 separate waves (i), it's still 1080 lines. Which is 1920x1080.
Sure there are sets that display a 1080i signal-but they're downscaling. So it's not showing 1080i.
Here's an example.
Not made anymore, but maxed out at 1080i, had 1920x1080 pixels.
That sharp was touted as a 1080P TV not 1080i, see here: http://www.i4u.com/article5121.html
The CRTRP TV's were often 540P, 1080i. I think this is because there is not a definitive pixel structure like microdisplay screens. The CRT is just one big tube being bombarded by phosphors to create the picture.
Bottom line is both a 720P set and a 1080P set are considered HDTV and are considerably better than watching a 480P DVD on your old direct view CRT.
I went 1080P projection, because it was only $200 more than the same TV in 720P, so why not. Both a 768 plasma or 1080P(provided it does 1080 as per the article)LCD or RPTV are great pictures. You may notice I am not a DLP fan as most create 1080P via "wobulation"
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I don't even know what this thread is about, but I see video and 1080p discussions. I bought myself a 61 inch Samsung DLP - the 6188 over the holidays and I love it. I sit 9 foot back which is close to the sweet spot for 1080p content. And it does looks outstanding with true 1080p (via my PS3). 1080i and 720p look excellent as well. Really considering the challenges (close seating, poor feed, big picture to scale to) the set does a pretty great job with SD content. I was surprised.
At any rate, if anyone is shopping for a true 1080p set I would add the Samsung 56, 61, or 71? 88's to their list to consider. A couple of calibrators over at AVS swear by them as sets that are most capable of dialing in to film standards with the least compromises.
Out of the box (and in show rooms) they don't look that great, but that's because they come with DNIE AND Digital NR enabled which based on "initial settings" from the calibrators is one of the first things you should turn off.
If anyone ever has any questions about the Samsung please PM me and I'll be happy to try and answer as I get more familiar with it.
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The only sets you will see with 1920x1080 resolution are 1080p sets, which is why I think it's worth getting a 1080p set even now.
Not entirely true...the HP MD5880 DLP sets projected an interlaced 1080 x 960 pixel image and called it 1080P. The vertical lines of resolution were progressive, but the horizontal was "wobulated" to get the 1080 x 1920 pixel image.
So it was called 1080P and got some great reviews, but if you really looked at the screen it had a lot of video noise and I just find DLP fatiguing to my eyes.
1080P is the new buzzword, but not the holy grail of video.
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You may notice I am not a DLP fan as most create 1080P via "wobulation"
They may 'create' 1080p utilizing wobulation, but you're something other than human if that really impacts your viewing experience. To me, the whole wobulation arguement (and in some cases panic) is one of those techy angles that sound great on paper, but doesn't bear fruit in real life.
In the end, we all buy what looks best to us with the fewest compromises within our budget. The size, features and immersive experience of my 61 inch DLP from 9 foot was one of my better purchases at $2450. Having seen real 1080p content at 61 inches I couldn't imagine going to a 50inch plasma at 720p even though I've always found them eye catching.
Wasn't trying to flame, it's all about the entertainment, so as long as we're all enjoying that's great.
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My M80's make my ears hear
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I'll just go ahead and apologize now for the "other than human" comment. Obviously you've already clarified you found the experience fatiguing. I must be half blind or something! If anyone else is also half blind, I'd still recommend DLP for you. 
My M60's make me listen
My M80's make my ears hear
Either way - I'm not deaf anymore
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You may notice I am not a DLP fan as most create 1080P via "wobulation"
They may 'create' 1080p utilizing wobulation, but you're something other than human if that really impacts your viewing experience. To me, the whole wobulation arguement (and in some cases panic) is one of those techy angles that sound great on paper, but doesn't bear fruit in real life.
In the end, we all buy what looks best to us with the fewest compromises within our budget. The size, features and immersive experience of my 61 inch DLP from 9 foot was one of my better purchases at $2450. Having seen real 1080p content at 61 inches I couldn't imagine going to a 50inch plasma at 720p even though I've always found them eye catching.
Wasn't trying to flame, it's all about the entertainment, so as long as we're all enjoying that's great.
No problem Blair, the knee jerk reaction is common in online forums. I just hate when the Manufacturer tries to deceive the consumer by calling something that it isnt. I looked at the HP DLP which got great reviews and it looked like a great picture. When I found it fatiguing I looked closer and the picture noise was apparent. Then when I read how it achieved the 1920 it all made sense.
The Sammy DLP's are very nice sets and I have nothing against them, at least the 87, 88 series. The 64's were sub par. I just became less of a DLP fan the more I heard of light engine, bulb and colour wheel failures.
I dont think its fair to compare 50" panny plasma to 61" sammy DLP, as the smaller screen will show less pixel structure and perceived higher resolution.
I compared 56" JVC in 1080P, to 58 " Panny Plasma 768P and Sony SXRD 60" 1080P side by side in a store and there was really no noticeable difference. Some scenes looked better on the JVC, some looked better on the Panasonic, some on the Sony.
When I compared the 720P JVC, to 1080P JVC, to 1080P Sony...I noticed the 1080P to have marginally better picture depth, but no pixel structure, but all were excellent displays.......So I really didnt see a HUGE improvement in having a 1080P set, which is why I think a Panasonic TH58PX60 is a great TV to own regardless of it being 768 x1366 and not 1080P.
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Thanks for the information and the resolution debate. Even before I posted my question I liked the Panasonic TH58PX60. Like I mentioned earlier I would hate to spend that kind of money and in 2 years think I need to upgrade again, but isn't that some of the joy of loving audio/video equipment??
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