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DirecTv has launched 2 satellites this year (the latest in July). This will enable them to begin beaming over 100 (their stated intent) new HD channels. According to the DirecTv programming forum at DBStalk.com, 70 of those channels will go live in September. DTV will also be able to add the locals in HD to the smaller markets. While they haven't gone nuts notifying existing customers about this, the notices should begin to happen relatively soon. An equipment upgrade will be required to take advantage of the new HD programming; you won't be able to get it with your current equipment. The required equipment includes a 5 LNB slimline dish (most of those currently installed are 3 LNB) and either a new HD receiver (H20 or the soon to be available H21) or a HD DVR receiver (HR20 or the soon to be introduced H21). The newer equipment has been available for several months and DTV has been quietly installing it (it picks up the current sat signals). I've been following this since the first of the year and decided to act today (ordered the dish, an HD receiver and a DVR), thinking I would avoid the rush. Well today I got a surprise in scheduling my upgrade installation. The EARLIEST date I could get was October 12th. I'll be calling the installer tomorrow to see if we can improve on that. I am telling you this to make you aware of the pending logjam and give you the chance to get into the process and avoid a June install. I hope it helps some of you.
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Ray, Thanks for the heads up.
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Ray, When will we find out about the channel selection? It's not worth the change if Sci-Fi is SD.
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Woohoo! I had DirecTv installed a couple of weeks ago. I know I have the 5lnb dish, and when I signed up there was a free upgrade to the HD receiver (checked, and it is the H20). So far, I'm really enjoying the HD content. Granted, there isn't a whole lot, but I don't watch that many channels anyway. I love National Geographic and Discovery. If more channels will be available, that would be awesome. Thanks for the heads up, Ray!
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Another thing to note is that if you already have had a H20 or HR20 for a while you may need to order B-Band converter(s). They give the details on their website. Just logon and go to “Latest News” > “Ready for more HD?”
I ordered my two last week and they arrived Fed Ex two days later. There was no cost for them.
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Just ordered mine, my new 5LNB dish and HR20 will be installed Fri. Although he could not give me a new programming list, he did tell me A&E and the SciFi channel will be two of the first of around 100 new HD channels.
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This is great news; thanks Ray and Michael.
Do you guys care to share what all this cost? I am an existing DirecTV customer. I've often heard they treat new customers better than existing ones.
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Tom, I agree about them generally giving new customers a better deal, I would guess it depends on the type of equipment you already own, I believe without any type of exchange, to upgrade the dish and get the DVR HR20 you have to pay $298.00 for box and dish install, for a basic HD box with no DVR I beleive it is $99.00. HD programming is $9.99 a month in my case.
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DBStalk has a posting that lays out the tenttive listing for the first 70 channels (including Sci-Fi and, of course - the Golf Channel).
As far as cost is concerned, I'll point you at DBStalk again here. They have a thread that details the deals folks have been able to get.
There is no cost for the installation, the dish, the b Band converters or and multi-switches that might be needed.
The go-in position with D* is as follows: H20 = $99 + 19.95 shipping + tax HR20 (DVR) = $299 + 19.95 shipping + tax
If you have been a long term customer in good standing, they will deal, but it may include asking to be connected to Customer Retention and you may need to call 3-4 times before you catch a deal you like. Some folks have waited for the prompt on the phone menu and said "Cancel" which gets a rep on the line immediately and there has been some success with that. Also, some folks have sent an email to start the ball rolling. I encourage you to get through that thread (I can't post it because I am on a different computer and don't have the URL handy).
Tom - to answer your question more directly, here is the deal I got (12 year customer): H20 = 99 + 19.995 + tax and they will credit out the $99 charge on my next bill. Net is around $25 for the H20
HR20 = free.
The net cost of the upgrade/installation will be around $25. There is $5/month charge for the DVR service.
Also, the CSR told me I could upgrade the H20 (likely free) to an HR20 after 6 months.
One more tidbit. Apparently you can plug an external hard drive(USB) into the HR20 for more capacity.
I encourage you to get over to DBS talk and do some research. There is much more detail than I can provide here.
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Ray, That's a sweet deal getting the HR20 for free I guess I should have haggled more
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Thanks, Ray. Want to make a few calls for me?
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Thanks for that info. Called just now and have an install coming tomorrow. H20or 21 installed. They took $75 off and free install.
Again, thanks for the heads up.
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How much are you all paying for the HD service? I am on Dish right now with 4 TVs, 2 are on the same DVR box, no HD content. I have their 100 channel package, and with all service fees (not the tax) I pay $45.98 a month. I would love to get all 4 TVs on DVR and upgrade 1 to HD for my home theater, but I don't want to shell out $75 a month or something for TV.
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I went out to try to figure out how "cheap" I could get the package to switch to DirecTV, and it isn't cheap at all.
From what everything is telling me, I need a seperate receiver for EACH TV, is that correct? Right now I have 2 receivers, and each receiver handles 2 seperate TVs (on seperate channels) at the same time. One of those is also a DVR, so I can start playing back a show in the living room at night, and then if it gets late, I can continue it up in our bedroom since those 2 TVs are using the one, dual tuner DVR. I also have 100 channels (not counting PPV, or music channels) and again, with all of the fees it runs me about $45 a month. Now, if I switch and upgrade to HD content, with DirecTV, it is something like $65 a month for the first 4 months, but I wonder what it will go to after that promo period. It also will cost me around $300 in up front equipment fees (HD DVR, etc)... YIKES... I love the idea of HD content in my home theater, but if that is the driving force, then I am not sure that I can honestly justify a switch.
I know that I could always call them, but I am not a loyal customer of 12 years or anything.
Someone give me some good news here. I would LOVE to get a bunch of HD channels...
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I just moved to my new house and shelled out some cash to have cable jacks installed in every room ($80 bucks or so.) So I will not be switching anytime soon.
I have cable with HD+DVR+ a couple of movie channels + highspeed internet and my bill is not cheap.
However, I got this from the dircecTV web site:
The future of television has arrived. DIRECTV brings you our new HD DVR, soon with the capacity to offer 100 HD channels*
*Number of channels subject to available HD programming.
While it is neat that they are adding the CAPACITY for 100 hd channels, until there are 100 worthwhile HD networks I will not even think about switching. I am sure my cable company has the CAPACITY for more HD channels then they provide. I just don't understand what good a 100 channel hd capacity is without 100 quality HD networks.
Show me a channel lineup and I will re-consider dishing out money to my cable provider.
However, I do like the idea of being able to add an external hard-drive for extra storage. Our DVR does not have that feature but I think we can DVR to the hard drive on the computer with our windows media center PC...
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Nick, these are the offers going on now DIRECTV I believe they will also install up to 4 regular systems for free. HDDVR and HD boxes are a bit more.
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Although you may have the ability to get the 100 channels it all depends on your programming choice, I'm sure they will be offering many in the premium services such as HBO and Showtime, I just have the regular 185 channels, but since the HD package is only $9.99 even if I only get 10 more channels like HGTV, SCIFI ,History and A&E I'll be a happy camper.
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Cox just added A&E HD to the lineup a month or so ago. It has some pretty good shows on it.
I won't be switching from cable anytime soon, but hopefully this will put pressure on cable companies and others to increase their HD lineup
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Nick, these are the offers going on now DIRECTV I believe they will also install up to 4 regular systems for free. HDDVR and HD boxes are a bit more.
It is $298 in startups getting HDDVR (that I can't watch anywhere else) and a seperate SDDVR (for 1 TV) and 2 non-HD, non-DVR boxes. If I simply add a 3rd SDDVR, it jumps to $397 in startup costs and the monthly bill jumps from $69 to $79 (after the first 4 months of "$5 off").
I'm just not sure that it is worth the cost. Those already loyal to DirecTV and can get free hardware upgrades and such are the lucky ones.
The following is the list (dated May 7, 2007 from www.dbstalk.com) of the proposed new HD channels for DirecTV. Of them, my family and I would watch (many of these on somewhat rare basis): TNT Discovery HD Theater Animal Planet Discovery Channel Food Network HGTV Sci-Fi Disney Channel ABC Family Hallmark Channel
----THE LIST----
Available Now:
70 HBO East 71 SHO East 72 ESPN2 73 ESPN 74 UHD 75 TNT 76 Discovery HD Theater 78 HD Net Movies 79 HD Net
98 National Geographic Channel Sneak Peek (Times vary) 332 MHD Sneek Peek (Times vary)
99 HD Pay-Per-View
Depending on service area and equipment:
ABC CBS NBC FOX CW MY Network TV
Local Regional Sports Network
Coming in September:
A&E Animal Planet Big Ten Network Chiller CineMax East CineMax West CNN Discovery Channel (simulcast) Food Network HBO West HGTV History Channel MHD (MTV) NFL Network (Full-Time) Science Channel Showtime West Starz! East Starz! West Starz! Edge Starz! Comedy Starz! Kids & Family The Movie Channel The National Geographic Channel TBS TLC The Weather Channel Versus/Golf
November:
RFD TV
Fall 2007:
Bravo Cartoon CNBC FX HBO2 East HBO2 West HBO Family East HBO Family West HBO Latino East HBO Signature East MoreMax East Sci-Fi Sleuth Speed USA
21 Regional Sports Networks:
Blackout Rules still apply!
Altitude Comcast SportsNet Chicago Comcast SportsNet Mid-Atlantic FSN Arizona FSN Bay Area FSN Detroit FSN Florida FSN New England FSN North FSN Northwest FSN Ohio FSN Prime Ticket FSN Rocky Mountain FSN South FSN Southwest FSN West New England Sports Network SportsNet New York SportsSouth Sun Sports YES
December 2007:
The Tennis Channel
Spring 2008
Disney Channel Toon Disney ABC Family ESPN News Hallmark Channel MGM
Announced HD for Fall 2007 but not announced for DirecTV yet:
Trinity Broadcasting Network
Announced HD channel rollouts by Spring 2008 but no carriage announcements for DirecTV yet:
MAV TV, HBO Comedy East/West, HBO Latino West, HBO Signature West, HBO Zone East/West, @Max East, 5 Star Max East, ActionMax East/West, MoreMax West, OuterMax East, ThrillerMax East/West, WMax East
Existing HD that I have no carriage info for:
Lifetime HD, MOJO, Outdoor 2, Playboy, Wealth
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I just moved to my new house and shelled out some cash to have cable jacks installed in every room ($80 bucks or so.) So I will not be switching anytime soon.
Yeah, my house has a minimum of 3 cable, 3 network, and 3 phone lines in each room (except the bathrooms). My home theater has a couple more cable and network jacks, and my living room basically has 6 of each. I still don't have cable TV... I've looked into is MANY, MANY times, but they just can't compete (in the Des Moines, Iowa area anyway) with Dish or DirecTV. I even looked at their bundled TV, phone, internet package (since I am already getting killed paying them $60.95 a month for internet), and if I kept their internet, dropped Dish and went with cable tv, and then dropped my Vonage, and went with their VOIP phone, it would cost me around $185 a month, vs. $133 that I pay now for all of that. And I still wouldn't have HD channels. Darn cable companies.
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Tell me about it. I'm stuck with basic cable at $60/month because my landlord won't let me get a dish. Grr... and yes, it's within her legal rights to do so--I don't have any private outside areas.
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Hmmmm... Direct TV is not available where I live and I need two, 4' dishes to get ten, HD channels from dishnet. Needless to say, I don't have HD/TV.
I'm sure these new satellites won't help either....at least that’s usually the way my luck goes.
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I'm curious what the options and prices are in Canada.
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Variety of responses:
Nick - thanks for grabbing the list of HD channels.
Nick - the HD package is currently 9.99, which brings my monthly to 65 (I don't have any movie channels). Once I get the upgrade and everything is switched on, I'll likely get the movies.
As pointed out, D* usually has a pretty nice new customer package. Once they hit their stride with 150 HD channels, competition is either going to suffer or be incented to offer more HD.
terzaghi - They HAVE the capacity; in September (barring tech issues) they are turning on 70 channels for viewing. Take a look at the listing Nick published in the thread.
Tom - believe me, the calls/conversations are simple. Just be persistent.
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Mike, just helping you spend more money DIRECTV in ALASKA
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Tell me about it. I'm stuck with basic cable at $60/month because my landlord won't let me get a dish. Grr... and yes, it's within her legal rights to do so--I don't have any private outside areas.
No porch or balcony or railings?
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There's the steps up to the door (with railing around), but there's no real room there. If it was on the railing a) the railing would probably fall over and b) it would intrude on a neighbor's parking space.
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Would dishes attached to a pole set in a cement bucket work?
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Have them put it at my house. Then buy me a slingbox and I'll let you watch it over the net.
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Not really. There's no real place to put it. In any case, the landlord won't allow any drilling into the house without seeing a damage policy from the companies. DirecTV has one: they won't cover any damage from installation. Dish doesn't have a written one. Therefore, I'm stuck with friggin' Comcast--It's Craptastic!
The best part? Both of the other tenants in the building have dishes on the roof. The landlord never answered my question about how they got them.
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I'll have to do some searching but there are FCC rules about allowing you to place dish receivers. I don't think you can legally be prevented from placing a dish somewhere.
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Oh, I've looked. If you have no outside area, you can't get a dish.
Sigh... sorry about the hijack. It's just been pissing me off.
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In the Bay Area, I moved from DirecTV to Comcast because I really prefer Tivo. I had the HD DirecTivo but it didn't support MPEG4 so I wouldn't get the new channels, in addition to the fact that I had to get a replacement for the triple LNB that I already had.
When the Tivo Series 3 came out I jumped on it as soon as I could get a friends and family discount. I upgraded to 750GB, moved my lifetime subscription and don't regret my decision much. We have enough HD to keep me satisfied, though SciFi would be nice. Plus I'm in a location where I can get OTA HD pretty well.
I like that Comcast is monthly, versus DirecTV's 2yr commitment. My ONLY complaint for digital cable is that SD is HORRIBLE compared to satellite. However, that's not a huge issue because I pretty much don't watch anything that is not HD anymore.
I've got these available to me in HD from Comcast Digital Cable:
Fox KRON (Bay Area local TV) CBS ABC PBS (local) InDemand HD FoxSports Bay Area Versus/Golf Discovery ESPN ESPN2 TNT Universal MHD HBO-HD Cinemax-HD Starz!-HD Showtime-HD
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that sucks about your landlord kc, My landlord is pretty laid back... there are 2 Dish Network Satellites on the roof from the previous tenant (which I have not removed yet). I just paid cox to install 3 new cable jacks, and they drilled all of them from the exterior...
My cable company provides the following channels in HD:
701 Cox Event HD 711 OETA HD (PBS) 715 KOKI HD (FOX) 716 KOTV HD (CBS) 718 KTUL HD (ABC) 719 KJRH HD (NBC) 720 ESPN HD 721 ESPN2 HD 725 Discovery HD 726 National Geographic HD 727 A&E HD 729 TNT HD 730 Universal HD 735 Mojo 739 MHD 740 Cox HD 741 Cox HD2 750 HBO HD 755 Showtime HD 760 Starz! HD
I would consider switching to directv in the future if I could get more HD channels for less.
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I just switched to Dish Network. They currently have 39 HD channels (more then anyone else) and are too adding more HD as we speak. I switched from Directv because, as mentioned previously, they do not treat existing customers very well until you call to cancel. Customer service is terrible with Directv and Dish Network is slightly cheaper.
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I switched from Directv because, as mentioned previously, they do not treat existing customers very well until you call to cancel.
Lol, that's the same reason I cancelled Dish Network 4 years ago , they called me the day after I had cancelled to offer everything I had asked for, But I had already called DIRECTV and have stuck with them since.
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Dish has now successfully pissed me off by calling and bothering my wife for quite some time about how they could fix the problem with my landlord, no problem. Other than the fact that they couldn't provide the damage policy.
I think they're all slimy-Dish, DirecTV, Comcast...
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I never thought I'd say this, but I'm strongly considering going back to cable. I just upgraded my Directv receiver to the H10 to received a few HD channels a little over a year ago, and they want to charge me for a further upgrade. Shame on you, Rupert.
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