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Re: av123
Adrian #237647 01/01/09 07:54 AM
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Thats a very good price on the Studios Adrian. I thought they V4s were 2400 and the V5 bumped up 15-20%.


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fredk #237679 01/01/09 04:11 PM
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BTW, Fred, I was surprised when comparing the charts of both the Studio 100s and the M80s from the NRCC (thanks for the link). M80s are impedence rated at 4ohms, the Studio 100s at 8ohms....yet between 100 and 200 hz the Paradigms are clearly dropping down much lower than the Axioms (almost 2ohms according to chart). Are people making too big a deal out of the impedence ratings ? I mean, if Paradigm came out and said, you need a 4ohm receiver to run the 100's then I guess there would be a lot of people wondering if there receiver is sufficient or not. But, as it is, they are rated at 8ohms and nobody questions this. These charts seem to prove the efficiency of the M80s (4ohm rating) vs the Studio 100s (8 ohm rating), and Paradigms are known to be 'easy to drive' in regards to amps.


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Re: av123
Adrian #237690 01/01/09 05:59 PM
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 Originally Posted By: Adian

Are people making too big a deal out of the impedence ratings ?


There is a huge number of people over at the AVS forum most of whom have no experience with Axiom M80 speakers so they just repeat what they remember hearing from others. Spend enough time there and you will find the following “memes” about Axiom speakers.

1. Axioms are “bright.”
2. M80s are 4 ohm and hard to drive.
3. QS8s get a lot of good comments.

Most of these comments are prefaced with something like “I haven’t heard them but…” your best off sticking to professional reviews and hard data unless your just asking people if particular brands sound similar. One exception are people like jakewash who populate several forums and consistently recommend a variety of brands demonstrating that they are above the fanboyism of many who jump into threads recommending or attacking particular speakers.

Every forum and even sub-forum in the larger ones takes on it’s own character and develops it’s own truisms. This groupthink is as clear as night and day in some places even here about certain issues.

Also note that negative comments will almost always outweigh the positive ones. Just read about the AV123 subwoofer problems. You’d think 50% or so just up and failed by reading the posts, and that’s even taking into account the incredible spin machine AV123 has over there. But that’s because unhappy people are much more likely to post their complaints than happy ones posting praises.


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Re: av123
grunt #237691 01/01/09 06:16 PM
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 Originally Posted By: grunt
They did run a real wood veneer upgrade for some time a while back I just can’t remember the details. So something along those lines is a possibility.


I never remember them doing that, there's a big price difference. What they have done is have the Free upgrade to High Gloss Cherry or Burled Walnut.


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Re: av123
grunt #237692 01/01/09 06:17 PM
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Hrrmpf! Human nature!!

At the risk of giving Jason a big head, I have to agree with you Dean. He is willing to go 'upstream' when its warranted. Kinda reminds me of poster a friend of mine had showing a large herd of white sheep walking over a cliff. In the middle of them was a black sheep going the other way. " 'Scuse me... Pardon Me..."


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Re: av123
fredk #237694 01/01/09 06:22 PM
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 Originally Posted By: HAY

I never remember them doing that, there's a big price difference. What they have done is have the Free upgrade to High Gloss Cherry or Burled Walnut.


That’s what it was. Thanks for the correction.

 Originally Posted By: fredk

At the risk of giving Jason a big head, I have to agree with you Dean.

Boy aren’t we a couple of suck-ups. ;\)


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fredk #237695 01/01/09 06:25 PM
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Interesting... I had a similar poster but all the sheep were white, the odd sheep out was speaking French (Excusez-moi), and it was moving in the same direction as the rest of the herd just trying to get there before everyone else.

Must have been a British poster ;\)


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Re: av123
bridgman #237696 01/01/09 06:28 PM
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 Originally Posted By: bridgman
Interesting... I had a similar poster but all the sheep were white, the odd sheep out was speaking French (Excusez-moi), and it was moving in the same direction as the rest of the herd just trying to get there before everyone else.

Must have been a British poster ;\)


Oh yeah, that’s gonna leave a mark!


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Re: av123
grunt #237700 01/01/09 06:49 PM
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 Originally Posted By: grunt
Oh yeah, that’s gonna leave a mark!


Don't worry. Marks run away crying very quickly these days.

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grunt #237705 01/01/09 07:05 PM
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 Quote:
unhappy people are much more likely to post their complaints than happy ones posting praises.


Well said.
I think someone else inferred that same sentiment here, in another thread......but, in a far less eloquent manner.


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