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Re: Vp 180 center
theskins #412022 05/08/15 02:10 AM
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Gr Research and Madisound did a few more tests ..

http://www.gr-research.com/myths.htm

It's a lot to absorb, but some pretty good stuff.

Re: Vp 180 center
craigsub #412023 05/08/15 02:27 AM
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I forgot to mention that the test I did regarding break in was with a pair of Onex Ref 3's from AV123. It is highly likely they were well broken in ... as in used ... before I got them.

The boxes had been re-taped closed, and Mr. Wizard here never thought to think about this until about a year after the test.

It would be fun to try this with speakers we KNOW are new.

Re: Vp 180 center
theskins #412028 05/08/15 12:56 PM
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This type of test would really come down to "what is measureable vs what is audible".


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Re: Vp 180 center
theskins #412040 05/08/15 09:35 PM
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This is beginning to sound an awful lot like: Vinyl sounds better than CD, and 24bit 96 vs 24bit 192 vs 16bit 44.8

There is the component to the equation that we convince ourselves that it must sound better so therefor it does.

There is all talk about double blind sound testing.. But I wonder if they ever do the same procedure with double blind testing but only use a single product that should for all purposes sound exactly the same every single time, just to see if the real limiting factor is actually the people doing the test.


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Re: Vp 180 center
craigsub #412042 05/08/15 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: craigsub
Gr Research and Madisound did a few more tests ..

http://www.gr-research.com/myths.htm

It's a lot to absorb, but some pretty good stuff.



Thanks for the link
Pretty good read....I must say


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Re: Vp 180 center
MatManhasgone #412047 05/08/15 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: oakvillematt
This is beginning to sound an awful lot like: Vinyl sounds better than CD, and 24bit 96 vs 24bit 192 vs 16bit 44.8

There is the component to the equation that we convince ourselves that it must sound better so therefor it does.

There is all talk about double blind sound testing.. But I wonder if they ever do the same procedure with double blind testing but only use a single product that should for all purposes sound exactly the same every single time, just to see if the real limiting factor is actually the people doing the test.



There is at times a fickleness among "A/V files" and sometimes it just confirms that ultimately your ears(not necessarily your pocketbook) will and should prevail. Although, not right on topic, there is a rather interesting article over at the "CanadaHifi.com" website in which the author was reviewing the Bryston T2 speakers which are the smaller version of the more expensive A2 line. The T2s, of course, are very similar in design to the M80s and, of course, built by Axiom for Bryston, which was acknowledged in the column. He has a couple of "well healed" friends who each have stereo systems costing in excess of $100,000 so he decided to invite them over and do a blind listening test with the T2s by just covering up the name, playing some music and asking them afterwards how much they thought the speakers cost?

After they listened for quite awhile each one guessed from a minimum of $7000 up to $12,000. When he told them the MSRP per pair was $2799, they were totally floored and couldn't believe it.

And the beat goes on.

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Re: Vp 180 center
MatManhasgone #412056 05/09/15 12:41 AM
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This thread is thoroughly derailed! laugh. Instead of resulting in bans, it resulted in cool data exchange and now a possible test from craig. It just works on this forum! wink

Re: Vp 180 center
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SHUT UP.


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Re: Vp 180 center
Ken.C #412059 05/09/15 01:55 AM
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SHUT UP.


I have the right to remain silent, but lack the ability.

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