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Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl
brendo #431971 04/28/19 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted By brendo
The addons are not recommended for the type of ceiling you have. They are for flat ceilings. It would be more advisable to angle something like an on wall of the side of the beams or Axioms ceiling mounts pointed towards your MLP.


Hmmm. I thought for the add-ons, because my ceiling directly above them is flat, I would be okay? This would be the case for all .4 speakers. Dolby says ceiling should not be angled or vaulted, which mine isn't.

The bulkhead may 'interfere' with some of the sound reflected back down to the listening position, but not sure how much of an issue it would be.

My concern with the overhead set up is that if I mount under the bulkhead I don't have enough height (7ft). And if I mount just in front of (or behind) the bulkhead, well the bulkhead is in the way and I am still only at the 8ft minimum height.

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Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl
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M22 v4 virtual center?

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Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl
pheare #431976 04/28/19 11:51 AM
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Add-on modules fire sound at a point on the ceiling that would be somewhere between directly above itself and MLP. If that point isn't flat, or is too close to a wall/bulkhead, the reflected sound will be compromised.


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Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl
bman84 #431978 04/28/19 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted By brwsaw
M22 v4 virtual center?


I am actually now thinking of moving my m22 v3 to surround position.

I had never really considered a virtual center. It is an interesting concept as I won't be able to get my center to the same height as L/R. I might just give this a try. Have you tried a virtual center? If so, thoughts?

Can always add a center later if needed.

Is there typically a setting on the receiver to do this? Or does it just 'happen' as part of audyssey setup when it sees there is no center?

You and Mojo have now suggested the m22 v4. Is it really that much better than the v3 (they look identical, lol)?

I can't imagine this is a superior speaker to the m60? Are you thinking from a dollar perspective? Or is there some other reason one would go m22v4 over m60? Is the m60 a v4 speaker now?

Originally Posted By bman84
Add-on modules fire sound at a point on the ceiling that would be somewhere between directly above itself and MLP. If that point isn't flat, or is too close to a wall/bulkhead, the reflected sound will be compromised.



My bulkhead starts 5.5 feet from my front wall and 5 feet from my back wall. My head will be about 7.5 feet from front wall and 7 feet from back wall, pretty much under the middle of the bulkhead.

I suspect the majority of where the sound hits the ceiling would be flat (and, I guess, I could play with the angle of the 'atmos' speaker and fine tune), the reflection down would likely be partially impeded by the bulkhead.

Even so, I am thinking this would be preferable to a 7ft height overhead. And with the overheads, I cannot get the two speakers to be the same distance from the main listening position - though I suspect Audyssey would take care of that?

Bottom line is that my space has some challenges when it comes to Atmos setup, so just have to get things as good as I can, understanding it is not going to be a 'reference' setup.

Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl
pheare #431979 04/28/19 02:18 PM
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v4 looks the same as previous versions but they do not sound the same. They present a deep and wide soundstage with layers of images and black (quiet) space between those images. Fidelity is also much better across all frequency bands.

If your room is for movies only, v4 isn't a necessity. In fact, I'd say stick with your v3. At my place, there is no difference between M3, M5 and M100 when watching movies. Music is a completely different story.


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Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl
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I've heard that virtual center causes speach to sound hollow. Having a 160 directly below your tv is fine. My 180 is right below my display, angled upwards a bit to point directly at MLP, and sounds great.

As for Atmos, I'd say you'll get a better result with in-ceiling, even at 7' ceiling height. Mine are just a few inches higher. They suffer from off-axis response issues below 110hz, so I set the crossover higher to compensate.

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Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl
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I can hear that my virtual centre sounds hollow as bman said.


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Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl
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Originally Posted By Mojo
At my place, there is no difference between M3, M5 and M100 when watching movies. Music is a completely different story.


Is this simply because there is so much going on in a movie that your brain just doesn't listen as critically during movies vs. dedicated stereo music listening session?


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Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl
pheare #431984 04/28/19 03:26 PM
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Use would be for movies/tv only. Will the 160 work well with m22s?

So much to consider. Paralysis by analysis. Maybe I will just stick with my 7.2 setup for now. But maybe replace my m2 center with a 160.


Am taking delivery of my first ever 4k tv on Tuesday (LG 65C8P).

Need to decide if I should re-order the Denon x3500h or move up to the 4500h.

Then maybe call it a day at that. For now.

Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl
pheare #431985 04/28/19 05:17 PM
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C8 will be nice! What will you be using to play 4K discs?

What pricing are you looking at for the 3500 and 4500?

I find it good to space out upgrades so that you can fully appreciate each new part.


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