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#431986 - 04/28/19 01:21 PM Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl [Re: pheare]
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Bman, I think there are 2 things going on in movies that lead to no difference amongst left and right fronts: 1. No need for a stereo soundstage given the surround formats, and 2. Little content in the front left and right.

Pheare, knowing what I know now, I advise you stick with your M22s but do get the 160v4. Trust me, you will kick yourself for not upgrading earlier. Stop analyzing and trade up to the damned thing already.
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#431987 - 04/28/19 02:01 PM Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl [Re: Mojo]
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Originally Posted By bman84
C8 will be nice! What will you be using to play 4K discs?

What pricing are you looking at for the 3500 and 4500?

I find it good to space out upgrades so that you can fully appreciate each new part.


I currently rip blu ray and hd audio, re-encode video in handbrake and add to Plex. Not interested in doing the same with 4k, so may not see the absolute best in picture/sound, but I will live with that.


So, 4K content is going to be coming by way of apple tv/itunes 4k w/dolby vision and atmos enabled movies. Netflix as well.

3500h is $999.99, 4500H is $1500 or can get B-stock for $1188. I generally am fine with B-stock, but not sure the 4500H is discounted enough to make it worth the 'risk'.

I agree on spacing out, but aside from the speakers kinda need to do both tv and receiver at same time to get 4k and dobly vision. I currently have a 1080p projector, so moving down to 65 inches (from 92") is going to take some getting used to, but I am looking forward to what should be a much improved picture.

Originally Posted By Mojo

Pheare, knowing what I know now, I advise you stick with your M22s but do get the 160v4. Trust me, you will kick yourself for not upgrading earlier. Stop analyzing and trade up to the damned thing already.


Speaking of analyzing, I am now thinking about 3 m22 v4 for l/c/r and moving my v3s to surround.

I seem to recall reading some lengthily posts about how it is best to have a center identical to your l/r?

Probably add wall mounted m3s as well and give the atmos enabled speaker set-up a go. If I am not happy with that, I will try them as overhead speakers, though not sure how I would angle them down.

Though I wonder if the on-wall m2s might be better as they have the same size driver as the m22s.

If axiom will let me, would trade up my single m2, qs4s and qs8s against this.



Edited by pheare (04/28/19 02:06 PM)

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#431988 - 04/28/19 02:12 PM Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl [Re: pheare]
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I think a same centre as the left and right is over-hyped now that Axiom has an exceptionally engineered 160v4. I am currently watching Battlestar Galactica at 22 degrees off-centre and it sounds excellent.

I don't recommend an M22 over a 160 as a centre because the 160 can go lower and I've found this to be very important for voice clarity.
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#431989 - 04/28/19 03:11 PM Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl [Re: pheare]
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I'd grab the b-stock, and put the savings towards a good 4K disc player. If you're truly going for audio/videophile nirvana, then disc is the only way to go. No comparison in terms of bitrate, especially on the audio side (think MP3 vs FLAC). 4K UHD discs can be had for fairly cheap on Ebay (I spend $20 per movie on average).
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#431990 - 04/28/19 03:41 PM Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl [Re: pheare]
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It is a bit of a balancing act.

I know that discs are better, but honestly I haven't used physical media in about a decade now and I am not going back.

I don't want to give up the convenience of browsing my library and then just playing something or having the metadata or not dealing with fbi warnings and forced trailers, etc, etc.

Besides, without a side by side comparison, I won't know what I am missing. And probably couldn't tell the difference, in many cases, even with a direct comparison.

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#431993 - 04/28/19 04:55 PM Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl [Re: pheare]
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Can't argue with the convenience factor, and I'll admit I've never seen a side-by-side in person. I'm sure 4k discs will be the last hurrah for physical media. I only hope that streaming tech improves in quality before discs completely die.
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#431996 - 04/28/19 10:51 PM Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl [Re: pheare]
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pheare, I just switched in an M5HP for my 160v4. I have 3 others over and we all like the 160 better. The M5 sounds boxy and not as natural. I hope that helps you with your centre decision.
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#431997 - 04/28/19 11:18 PM Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl [Re: pheare]
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To everyone's relief, we're back to the 160 now.
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#431998 - 04/28/19 11:35 PM Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl [Re: Mojo]
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Originally Posted By Mojo
pheare, I just switched in an M5HP for my 160v4. I have 3 others over and we all like the 160 better. The M5 sounds boxy and not as natural. I hope that helps you with your centre decision.


Originally Posted By Mojo
To everyone's relief, we're back to the 160 now.


Thanks. That does help. Going to sleep on things for a couple of nights and re-evaluate mid-week.

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#431999 - 04/29/19 10:02 AM Re: Seems no one is suggesting the vp150 center chanl [Re: pheare]
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Originally Posted By pheare
Going to sleep on things for a couple of nights and re-evaluate mid-week.

I have owned the 150 and 160 and the 160 is much better. The amount of extra frequency range, off axis sound and sheer detail makes this a much better choice.

The size might be a limiting factor for you, depending upon your furniture and layout.
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