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Re: Out with the new and in with the newer
Mojo #434372 11/23/19 05:28 AM
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If it's any consolation, two of my tweeter grills were dislodged. I haven't checked if the domes were damaged but I doubt it based on what I'm hearing. Finding a way to keep those grills attached during shipping would be righteous.


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Re: Out with the new and in with the newer
Mojo #434373 11/23/19 03:43 PM
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My dual 500s are completely useless with the active LFRs for music. The smaller HP drivers, under the control of the DSP and the ADA, start and stop much faster than a single 12" driver. There's less mass there, less inertia, which makes them so much easier to control.

Mid-bass punch was so much better with the passive v4 over the v2 but this is a completely new experience. The smack from the actives leads to heart palpitations. Maybe when I move them into the bigger man-cave, a sub will prove useful for music.

The sound from these is absolutely effortless. Last night, my buddy couldn't believe what he was hearing. There is a staggering amount of detail across the entire range akin to a live performance.

Recall my source is a $35 Chromecast Audio and Spotify Premium. I'll try my Pioneer CD player today to see if there is any improvement over what is already an incredible experience.


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Re: Out with the new and in with the newer
Mojo #434375 11/23/19 06:10 PM
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Awesome news.
Glad you're making such sources shine. Now we need to hear of Craig sources performance.

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Brendo, thanks.

For the record, my width and depth problems are gone. I had my front and rear tweeters swapped and my left mid-range also. I checked the wiring three times but I guess the fourth time is the charm.

The same fidelity as before guys but now incredible depth across a brilliantly wide and tall soundstage. I am now a believer not only in the active department but also the LFR department.

I apologize to anyone I may have worried.

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Re: Out with the new and in with the newer
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Any active LFR owners out there who need convincing these actives deliver bass from the Gods, listen to this amazingly well-recorded track. My dual 500s cannot touch what the actives can do.


https://open.spotify.com/track/4RaUQtDq09wwhlndTYSfga?si=bfckWGTrSR6ePMK1gpuebw


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Re: Out with the new and in with the newer
Mojo #434378 11/23/19 08:46 PM
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One of my M3s arrived with its tweeter dome dented because the cover came half on. Can’t imagine the g-forces these thing’s experienced if it was dislodged in shipping. Axiom sent me a new tweeter and in less then 5 minutes all was good.

BTW Mojo ... the speaker sounded fine ... at least for the small amount of listening I did with the damaged tweeter.

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Yes, I've listened with dented tweeters before and all was fine.

With my actives properly wired up now, I am going to retract my previous statement about passives being garbage. I'll give you some context.

Up until this morning, I had the tweeter channels swapped on the right and the mids on the left. I also had the BGC switch set to FAR2 which boosted the rear array by 3dB. Of course what it was actually doing was boosting the front mids on one and the highs on the other. The end result was that the upper range was hot. This resulted in what sounded like greater clarity. It's well known that the louder speaker and especially boosted upper end, can fool listeners into believing it's better. So in that department, I got fooled into believing the fidelity of the actives was so much more superior than the passives.

In fact, the M5s, M100s and active LFRs are quite close in fidelity. Where the actives differ greatly is in the following: a) the resolving of detail horizontally, vertically and into the soundstage, b) the quantity and quality of bass across its entire range and improved fidelity in the mids and highs, and c) their dynamic capability which speaks not only to peaks but how well they can accelerate and decelerate.

These three improvements add up to a far more satisfying experience than passives. The v4 passives will do all the above but not as well. But you can't possibly understand or know this until you've experienced it.

Can they get better? Let's just say I can't find any faults. I haven't heard any faults with any v4 but I can clearly hear big improvements as I move up.


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Re: Out with the new and in with the newer
Mojo #434381 11/24/19 12:13 AM
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The dual 500s have now been moved from the living room, where they added nothing to the actives, to the man-cave. I dropped each one next to each M100. I haven't calibrated but my initial impressions are that two 500s or one M800 are both equally good. There is no need for all three and that is for both movies and music.

The soundstage down there will be very hard to beat. It's already wide, deep and tall. I know the M100s and M5s could not do what the actives are doing in my living room. Will they be able to do the same in the man-cave? We'll have to wait until closer to Xmas to find out.

I already know a few things. The basement system is missing a lot of detail. And those M100s, crossed at 40Hz to the subs, are struggling with Poem of the Chinese Drum right around 0 on my Onk whereas the actives nearly ripped the walls from my studs with no subs. Why that is, I don't know. Is it the 1500 losing control due to the crossover? Is it my Onk's pre-amp? We'll have to wait until closer to Xmas to find out.

The dual 500s took the punishment down there like two champs. Will I even need subs and a centre down there with the actives? We'll have to wait until closer to Xmas to find out.


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Re: Out with the new and in with the newer
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Listening to vinyl jazz on iheartradio. Man, it was so sweet on the M5s but now it is wider, deeper, taller, greater separation in the images...just superb!


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Re: Out with the new and in with the newer
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I made a huuuuge mistake. I shoulda bought two pair. I can't let them go from the living room. OMG, what am I gonna do now?


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