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Re: Actives?
Rebulx #437605 08/02/20 08:08 PM
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Before you move them to the short wall, try pulling them further away from the front wall.

I find I don't need a center for MLP and one seat to either side. They sound far better than any center and the 160v4 was darned good.

Mine are 12' apart on a 21' front wall. I sit 14' away.

We are indeed fortunate to be living at the time of Ian and Andrew.

Crurious to hear about your short wall.

What wood are the two 600s on the right? They look different than the one on the left.


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Re: Actives?
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Rich, turn it up loud and listen to this if you can cast it on your system:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?index=11&v=MIKSQT-oXfc&list=RDQnuzwex55eI


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Re: Actives?
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Poor Michael. He's now reading all this good stuff about the actives and he's gonna change his Axiom order for actives and rotate his room 90 degrees while his missus is out. When she finds out, she'll thigh-lock him until his left 'nad bursts. The actives are worth a missing 'nad.


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Re: Actives?
Rebulx #437611 08/03/20 04:30 AM
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ok, well... Rich, I assume that's your name. First off, we need to discuss what it's like living in a box. lol, I guess if you have a set of axioms... no matter where you live, you'll be set.

Thanks for the review. I'm going to read it several more times! It's great to hear your perspective.


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Re: Actives?
Mojo #437614 08/03/20 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mojo
What wood are the two 600s on the right? They look different than the one on the left.
there are only two EP600s in that picture ... the other one sitting on a box is an M5. All in natural walnut.

Re: Actives?
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That natural walnut sure looks different than mine. Maybe it's the lighting in the room that makes it appear different.

When you set up the M5s, listen to them with your ears 6" above the tweeters. Let's see if you hear what I hear.

It's interesting what you say about pin-point accuracy vs. unnaturally wide instruments. It really depends on the acoustics of the venue, number of microphones and how they were mixed.

The video I posted of the Qatar Philharmonic Orchestra playing Peter Gunn for example, was recorded in an acoustically live venue. The instruments sound very large as a result. I recall only three microphones. One was in the center where the drummer and tuba player were seated, another on the right where brass instruments were lined up behind it and the other similarly on the left. The result was some interesting acoustics. The drums fill up a spot right of center, the tuba sounds like its coming from center but diffuses across the front somewhat. Right after the tuba starts playing, a trombone starts playing right of center off stage but the sound is coming from the far left and echoing across center towards the back of the soundstage. If you watch the video, what's happening is the sound travels along the back wall and to the far left mic but some reflections are also being picked up by the right mic. As that same player starts approaching the right mic, the sound slowly moves across the front from the left to the right. There are three distinct yet diffuse images for most of the performance: left, center and right.

The above performance is in real contrast with The Menacing Tiger by Hok-man Yim (link below). In that performance, every sound is pin-point accurate across the width and depth of the soundstage. I surmise there were a lot more microphones on that stage and the mixing between left and right speakers was painstakingly implemented to get that kind of imaging.

Interestingly enough, the soundstage and imaging is very similar on my M2OW in the living room. The difference with the OW is that, believe it or not, the images come from greater depth and width. The images are also "softer" which is actually very easy to listen to. This is due to my room and the bow window between the M2s. I had similar depth in the living room with the actives but no matter what I did, I could not achieve the wall-to-wall width the M2OW do.

BTW, I have two crappy subs I use with the M2OW - one for each channel fed off the pre-amp of my Pioneer. Peter Gunn sounds much better on the M2OW with the subs off. It sounds like nothing is missing.

https://open.spotify.com/track/44iKEH3unzldjOrJefyLiv?si=5kDUauTPQCSBevjyTZSR6g

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Re: Actives?
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Mojo, the wood looks different because the pano was not done well ... it's pretty distorted actually ...
Even the amps look bent!

Just took something to give you an idea of the setup.

Re: Actives?
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I like that "bent pano" look. Axiom ought to build 'em like that.


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Re: Actives?
Mojo #437620 08/03/20 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mojo
I like that "bent pano" look. Axiom ought to build 'em like that.
Well then ... just FedEx them a few times and your wish will come true smile

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Re: Actives?
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Is the $8800 price listed for LFR1100 active per pair or for each speaker?

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