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Re: M100s?
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Should towers be set to small and crossed over at 40hz or 80hz when running a sub? Seems to be a lot of conflicting info out there about whether towers should be run large or small.


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Re: M100s?
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It very much depends on room acoustics, your fronts and subs and personal preference. Try 40, 60 and 80 and see what you prefer. Also try setting the sub's cross-over as well. I find setting my sealed subs to the same cross-over frequency as the AVR's cross-over works best for me in my room.


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Re: M100s?
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Thanks, Mojo. I certainly appreciate your advice.


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Re: M100s?
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You're welcome. Not sure if you know what to look for in bass performance. Musical bass ought to be tight, articulate, textured, space-filling and transparent. My cheap subs can't do this song justice. With my sealed subs, I hear no unexpected note overhang/resonance, deep, sharp yet smooth textures from string twangs and drum smacks and experience soul-filling emotion.

https://open.spotify.com/track/796kuTmB7Pz3YuYbChu58s?si=PSnGjUPJRxK4sei2MKtgkA


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Re: M100s?
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That's how I like my bass to sound. I'm not into boomy bass. It should be tight and exact and clean. I'm much more adept to subs when it comes to music than I am at movies.


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Re: M100s?
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Fortunately, with the Axiom sealed subs - which are very linear - once you tune them using music, they are set for movies. I find the Axiom sealed subs are really easy to integrate into a system.


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Re: M100s?
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Originally Posted by CanesFanInVA
Should towers be set to small and crossed over at 40hz or 80hz when running a sub? Seems to be a lot of conflicting info out there about whether towers should be run large or small.
The Large/small/crossover settings are kind of confusing.

Let's first cover/review what these parameters mean
(at least how I understand them ... please correct me if I have something wrong):

LARGE/SMALL
The large/small setting tells the receiver or processor if you want to send the speaker a full range signal (i.e. ignore the crossover setting) or If you want to redirect frequencies lower then the set crossover frequency for that speaker to the sub-out. So, Large = full range, Small = anything below the crossover frequency is not played on the speaker but sent to the sub.

Note: If your speakers are all set to large the sub-out may not send anything unless your playing a movie with an LFE channel (Low Frequency Effects channel)

SUB MODE
There is another parameter my 8805 calls Subwoofer mode. I can set this to either LFE or LFE+Main.
LFE works exactly as stated above: the sub will play the LFE channel and any low-end content redirected from speakers which are set to small. The Large speakers handle their own low-end.

In LFE+Main mode the subs will in addition be sent the low-end content of the Large speakers. ie. the frequencies below the set crossover of a large speaker will be sent to both the speaker and the sub. OR stated another way, the sub gets the low frequency content from all the speakers. (large speakers still play the full-range).


So, after all that we can talk about why you might want to set a speaker to large or small.
Obviously, if you have a small speaker which doesn't go low you want to set it to small and let the sub handle the frequencies it can't. 80Hz is a good choice because below that it's hard to localize where a sound is coming from and most small speakers can play that low.

But what if you didn't have a sub? In that case you might consider setting even a small speaker to large so the full frequency range gets sent to it. (Most receivers will do this automatically)

If you have floor standing speakers which can go fairly low ... say 30 Hz but you have a sub which can go even lower you might want to set that speaker to small with a fairly low crossover ... like 40Hz. Alternately you could set your subMode to LFE+main and play both (adjusting the sub knob for a smooth transition). The receiver also has a LPF (low pass filter) setting which you can set on the LFE.

Another reason you might set tower speakers to small is because you're trying to drive them with a marginal receiver. By off loading everything below 80Hz (just to pick a number) to the sub you might get a better cleaner performance and be able to crank it (where the receiver alone would run out of juice).

I'm sure there are other examples out there but each setup is unique and it's best if you understand these parameters to make the best trade-off for your situation.

Re: M100s?
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The equivalent to LFE+Main on my Onk is Double Bass. LFE+Main is a Denon/Marantz/Integra term.

If you set some small speakers to large, and then play a bit louder than normal, you can ignite them or destroy their spiders. That's what happened to my Dreamcatchers. Unlike Axioms, some speakers are not designed to gracefully exceed their recommended maximums.


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Re: M100s?
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There's a reason that Max limits are given ...
I guarantee you that a Giga-watt applied to any axiom will not end well ...
Pretty sure it would void the warrantee too... smile

Re: M100s?
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1 GW, applied to active LFR1100 for 200 nsec would be just fine. Do the math. smile

Damn, Ian built speakers that can take a Giga Watt.


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