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Re: M100s?
Canesfan27 #439095 10/15/20 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CanesFanInVA
I can tell you it was a major difference in the clarity on the Studio 80s. Set to small and the sub back to lfe-main and increase the x-over on the sub to 100. Still need more subs to fill out the room. Would a 600 be noticeably different than the 500?

The Studio 80 sounds clearer because the bottom driver is (mostly) freed from trying to reproduce frequencies below the x-over.

The Studio 80s will be relegated to firewood once you get the M100s.


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Re: M100s?
Rebulx #439096 10/15/20 05:16 PM
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Actually they will become my dad's problem again. I can't wait for him to get back to town so he can hear my new set up. He's a fan of the Axioms and all he has is the 150 and QS8s.


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Re: M100s?
Rebulx #439097 10/15/20 05:36 PM
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Your dad, a man of means, deserves to treat his ears-brain well. smile


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Re: M100s?
Rebulx #439098 10/15/20 05:48 PM
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I'm sure he will once he hears my set up and even more so once I upgrade to actives.


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Re: M100s?
Rebulx #439099 10/15/20 05:59 PM
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Well yeah...you've got to one-up dad. smile

BTW, look at you. You're already starting to understand better sound to the point where you want to show it off!


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Re: M100s?
Rebulx #439100 10/15/20 06:29 PM
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It'll be another step up just getting the ada 1500 and getting the speakers off of the avr amp.


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Re: M100s?
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Hmmmm...I dunno. Playing M100s off my Onk vs ADA-1000 or ADA-1500 didn't make any difference at normal listening levels. That's at 14 feet away in a 4200 cu ft room. 60% or more of the energy in music is below 100Hz or so. If the subs are doing all that work, the AVR doesn't have to.

I'll tell you what made a big difference for me moving from M80/150/QS8/600 v2 to passive v4:

1. Sealed Axiom subs. Just the 800 alone cinched it. It cleaned up the mess the 600v2 was spraying all over my room.
2. M5 or M100. Even M2s are much better than M80v2. Soundstage, imaging, mid-bass, mids, highs,...everything!
3. 160
4. QS10

The actives upped the emotional satisfaction by giving me an illusion of room boundary/soundstage expansion. They also offer higher image resolution and improved placement of those images on the stage. Both of these are major improvements over the passive system described above.

Now I need to work on erasing the boundaries through proper diffusion. That though is just gravy and me being particularly picky.


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Re: M100s?
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Well the amp would come last. Next up is the QS10s and that will at least complete my 5.1 system and give me my base starting point.


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Re: M100s?
Rebulx #439103 10/15/20 07:42 PM
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You won't need an amp with the avr-x6500h. Use the money saved from an amp to buy subs. Buy amps when you go actives.

If you are planning to go actives, forget about any room treatment.


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Re: M100s?
Rebulx #439104 10/15/20 08:28 PM
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I had to get the avr-x6700h which is pretty much the same just the 2020 model. I think it'll be qs10s next then I'll start adding additional subs. I'm really speaking in hypotheticals until the 180 and 100s show up then I'll know what my room sounds like. I hope I'll like the 180 as much as I think I will. I'd hate to have to swap it out for the 160 and have to wait another month.


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