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Re: Upgrading to 4k receiver. Need advice.
space_needle #444045 11/23/21 11:20 PM
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X2700 is 999. My bad.

Bought a x3700H 2 days ago for a job. They are around.

Re: Upgrading to 4k receiver. Need advice.
space_needle #444049 11/24/21 03:56 AM
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Does the 2700 have pre-outs for mains or just the Zone channels?
I thought when i was looking at these, only the Denon 3000+ series had full pre-outs.

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Re: Upgrading to 4k receiver. Need advice.
chesseroo #444053 11/24/21 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by chesseroo
What never ceases to amaze me is how few people I know have even a basic 5.1 system considering how long they've been on the market, how inexpensive some can be and how much these people afford for other electronics, and that they try to sell these surround sound items along side the TVs which we know people are buying (new 4k have been marketing heavy, big screen <40" LED are almost ubiquitous and cheap at $500 or less). The stats here show how fast 4k is catching on and compared to the multi-year, older stats on surround sound, TVs are being turned over much quicker.
I understand your points but they are not really on topic (at least in relation to what started this discussion): i.e. if the OP might want to upgrade sooner than a decade ...

But I'll run with it ...
You know that we live in a bubble. Who we are freinds with, the towns we live in, the places we go ... we are the lucky ones who can afford this hobby ... when you look at the bottom third of the US a $500 system is quite an expenditure. You seem to like stats: ~25% of the US have a net worth under $13k and most of that is probably in material assets ... ~10% make less than 15k/year. ~9% make between 15-25k, and ~9% between 25k-35k. Not a lot of disposable income ... Day to day life may take priority over upgrading a TV.

Of those who can afford to keep up ...
People who value only 2 channel don't need to upgrade their systems often.
People who just want to watch a video and have a surround system because that was what they were supposed to buy won't upgrade often
People who value video and surround and get on the web to talk about it and constantly evaluate what's out there ... will most likely want to keep up.

The people in that last category are self selecting and it does not matter what percentage they are of the TV viewing public. It only matters that they care and value surround sound. If so ... the % likely hood they might want to upgrade if something new comes along is IMO fairly high. It might take years of thinking about it but the want will be there. Now, It's only IMO and I don't mind if yours is different.

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I'm not as crazy as some, like those who build HT rooms out of bomb proof materials [ahem rrlev ahem ahem]
Some people have dreamed of owning a Corvette or Firebird since high school. I shake my head when I see a 50-60 something driving around in one but I realize it's a fulfillment of a dream. My theater is fulfillment of my dream ... feel free to shake you head ... I don't mind smile


BTW I'd have to put the HT much deeper to make it bomb proof ... maybe in my next build ...

Re: Upgrading to 4k receiver. Need advice.
rrlev #444054 11/24/21 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rrlev
I understand your points but they are not really on topic (at least what started this discussion):

Thread hijacks are the hallmark of this forum.
I think we even had a thread on it once but then people started talking about best brew of coffee and all hell broke loose.


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Re: Upgrading to 4k receiver. Need advice.
space_needle #444056 11/24/21 09:14 AM
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Denon x3700H has preouts.

Re: Upgrading to 4k receiver. Need advice.
chesseroo #444060 11/24/21 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by chesseroo
Thread hijacks are the hallmark of this forum.
I think we even had a thread on it once but then people started talking about best brew of coffee and all hell broke loose.
Coffee ... Ok, now your talking ....
Trader Joes Cafe Pajaro. It's the best off the shelf brew ... Ground (burr not blade) at the courser end of the percolator setting. Gotta have the right coffee maker though, a drip that delivers the water at the right temp and rate. Now if your into roasting your own beans ... smile

Re: Upgrading to 4k receiver. Need advice.
rrlev #444082 11/26/21 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rrlev
Originally Posted by chesseroo
Thread hijacks are the hallmark of this forum.
I think we even had a thread on it once but then people started talking about best brew of coffee and all hell broke loose.
Coffee ... Ok, now your talking ....
Trader Joes Cafe Pajaro. It's the best off the shelf brew ... Ground (burr not blade) at the courser end of the percolator setting. Gotta have the right coffee maker though, a drip that delivers the water at the right temp and rate. Now if your into roasting your own beans ... smile

I'm actually not a coffee drinker but the wife is. Her favourite over the years so far has been the Danish blend from Murchies.
https://www.murchies.com/product/danish-blend-coffee/
She has a small blade grinder with a pulse ability so she knows how much or little to grind for a larger grain size. I haven't seen a burr grinder to know if the grain size varies more.
Did get her an Oxo brewer two years ago that was certified by the Specialty Coffee Association which rates based on various aspects including consistency of brew temperatures.
https://sca.coffee/certified-home-brewer


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Re: Upgrading to 4k receiver. Need advice.
space_needle #444309 12/25/21 10:28 PM
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I've had good luck at https://www.accessories4less.com/
In 2016 I bought a Marantz SR7010 from them for $999. It's just gone into the shop now to repair an output amp, but 5 years is pretty good for a refurb. If I could find a source to rent the latest and greatest A/V gear for $200 per year, I'd jump on it.
The Marantz is what took me from 7.1 to 11.1, adding Atmos, DTS:X, and Auro-3D. Right now I'm using a Yamaha RX-V575 as a back-up, so I'm back to 7.1 temporarily.


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Re: Upgrading to 4k receiver. Need advice.
space_needle #444313 12/26/21 02:59 PM
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I would encourage you to seriously consider a dedicated high end preamp and then run an amp for the speakers.
I have been using the Anthem AVM60 for a number of years and it is spectacular in not only performance, but the detailed customizing of the signal you are able to do to tune it to your room. I do not use the ARC software at all; I find I can set up much better than the algo will. Plus you can tweak it as you add in more speakers to your system.

The AVM60 was recently replaced with the new AVM70 and I am told the 70 is even nicer, but the specs tell me that there isn't a lot of difference. You would do well by finding a used AVM60 from a guy upgrading to the new 70. These are $3K to $4K priced units and you should be able to find a nice used AVM60 for under $2K. Plus it has outputs front/rear, center, surrounds, rears, atmos and two subs (but will drive 8 subs with no issues).

Plus is does 4K video switching and upscaling. Its a very powerful pre amp. For two channel stereo, it's excellent too.

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Re: Upgrading to 4k receiver. Need advice.
space_needle #444420 01/19/22 07:15 PM
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I will muddy things a bit
Anthem MRX 720 used
Canadian Made too and love LOVE love mine but I just got the 520 as I have no need to go 7.2

No bells and whistles just qaulity sound and nothing compares to the ARC Genesis sound correction


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