Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Advice from Axiom Owners Axiom M80's vs Revel F36 or Focal 826's?

Mojo: You want SATISFACTION with the deal of the century on an active LFR/2×ADA-1250-5 system. nope not possible too much $$$$ do not like kraft dinner that much

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The Revels go back on Friday Dec 2bd end of a 20 day trial.So given the low end issues with them and a slightly harsh high end not in the running long term.....we are down to this plan...can get the 800f's in house 4 a 10 day trial....heard the 700f's yesterday.....in a bigger & livelier room then my living room pretty sure they(800's) equal the Axiom's so going to try to wait to get the 800f's here at same time as the m60's for a proper shootout...may the best speaker win.Now if the Axiom's are not going to be able to be here by the 16th of Dec then the 800's win by default as can get them in 2 days from ordering them!!

Adding paramecium to Kraft dinner works wonders.

Isn't that something about the high end. A real challenge for all manufacturers.

Looking forward to hearing how well Paradigm copied Axiom.

Looking forward to hearing how well Paradigm copied Axiom.[/quote]


I honestly think the Axiom's will be a bit better......however if have to wait too long(the 16th of Dec will be 50 business day's since order placed if they have a ship date at that time great but when Revels go back no speakers will I have(that sounded like Yoda,LOL) & no reasonable update then.......& I do understand the problem's Axiom & other companies r having these days!!

Bruce, it would be interesting if you compare without and then with room EQ.

Edit: in case the above didn't make sense, let me re-phrase it. Interesting it would be if with room EQ you compare without and then with.

There's nothing in the F36's spinorama measurements that stand out as causing that harshness. I see a directivity change (slope change) at the midrange/tweeter crossover range that might indicate minor midrange and lower treble issues; plus the dramatic drop off below 60 Hz that would indicate it needs a subwoofer. Overall, the F36 is probably in the top 10% of the 2022 loudspeaker market for neutral sound. But always go with your gut.

https://pierreaubert.github.io/spinorama/speakers/Revel%20F36/Revel/index_vendor.html

You can do a lot worse. I thought the Olive score bottomed out at -1.0, but Pierre recently posted a bunch of stinkers that are around -2.4 to -6.4.

Edit: on second thoughts, that directivity change means the treble has the same slope angle, but from a different starting point. Perhaps I can see why it can be perceived as harsh. Directivity matters, otherwise we'd expect loudspeakers with the flattest listening window to always win double blind listening tests (and they don't).

Update on the speakers....got a call today from Axiom(Andrew) my M60's should ship sometime early next week.So will now have the M60's vs the Paradigm Premier 800F shootout late next week or early in the Dec12th week.May the best speaker win!!

Bruce, I don't know about the Paradigms but I can tell you most of the Axioms I've received sound different (better) after 5 to 30 hours. They also sound different if you haven't played them for a while. Ambient temperature and humidity matters with regard to how they sound.

I don't know what's responsible for the differences but one thing I do know is the tweeter uses ferrofluid for cooling. The viscosity of this fluid is a function of temperature.

hi Mojo: I believe in speaker break in to a point(few hours) so both will be broken in a bit before I decide...that is why will not order the 800F's til my M60's are shipping so can use the full ten days I have with the 800F's!!!

You might want to ask Axiom for sphincter plugs if you're positioning them within a foot or two of the wall. I've found the plugs work but they change the character of the lower mids.

Regarding Mojo's port plug comment, I have my M80s about 10" from the wall with no ill effect. One time, just for grins, I moved them to about 4 inches and didn't notice any change. FWIW, the manual says 2-3 inches.