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Figured it would have been more like Kenny Rogers "Coward of the County"

I promised you, Dad, not to do the things you´ve done
I walk away from trouble when I can
Now please don´t think I´m weak, I didn´t turn the other cheek,
And papa, I should hope you understand --
Sometimes you gotta fight when you´re a man´.



Bren R.

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Nothing like offering only one side of a belief then shutting down debate with an insult.

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Insult? If you read that as an insult, you read it wrong. Why is it an insult? I stated the truth. There are a few here that constantly push that all amps sound the same and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong and in audio never never land. Is that an insult? Hell, I'm one of the last guy's you should be pointing that finger at. I don't need to spark a reaction from people to get my rocks off. Can you say the same?

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If those who don't hear a difference in amplification circuits with similar SNR/power levels are pocket protector types, does that mean those that hear a difference in amplification circuits without any reasonable evidence why it would be so the audio rosary and chants type?

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If it makes you sleep at night, sure. Funny how a reference to pocket protectors can spark such a reaction.

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Funny how a reference to pocket protectors can spark such a reaction.

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Don't tell me your pocket protector comment was meant in the friendlest possible way. That's like saying "I only called you a moron because it's accurate."

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I don't need to spark a reaction from people to get my rocks off. Can you say the same?

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Hmm... from bi-amplification to amplifier colour to self-pleasure. An odd forum.

Bren R.

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An odd forum

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At times it can be.

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Don't tell me your pocket protector comment was meant in the friendlest possible way. That's like saying "I only called you a moron because it's accurate."

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Actually I wasn't telling you anything or for that matter even talking to you but seeing as you can obviously read minds, it makes no sense for me to respond further as you already know! Trust me, if I was going to call somebody something, I would. The pocket protector comment however was nothing more then a poke at a few scientific types and not much else. Your analogy of a moron is your own and not mine. In the future keep your thoughts on what you think I was saying to yourself as you aren't even close.

Only at times? You're pretty forgiving.

Ah, but I was exactly right. In your own words, it was a poke at a few scientific types. People don't like being poked, is all I'm saying.

Point taken but unfortunately the "Types" I speak of, love to take pokes at people. If they don't like receiving, they need to stop giving. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm trying really hard to not come off sounding like an ahole but I have had it with a few in here who post this and that and speak it as the god’s truth. These guys have owned squat for the most part and have nothing other then what they have read to base their views on. If someone wants to tell me that all amps sound the same, they better have owned a lot of stuff so they can post some real world examples not just what science tells them.

Just because you read it somewhere, that doesn’t necessarily make it the gospel. A lot of people sit back and take it and I’m done taking it. This forum is getting a really bad rep at a lot of places as being full of a bunch of know it all types and although I don’t agree with that, I sure as hell can see how some would get that impression.

I still can’t believe that some people in here will post that every amp made sounds the same. I even agree that a lot of them do and I mean a lot but to say they all do, just shows that a few in here need to take a step back and remember that the 2 or 3 amps they have owned in there lifetime, really aren’t that great a reference point!

Do I dare bring up the fact that I tested my Parasound against a Crown amp on Sunday and they sounded nothing at all alike? 7 people in the room all watching football helped with the test and not one in the room failed to pick out one from the other. 7 freaking people could tell what amp I was running and when.....but according to some in here, that can't happen and It's rigged etc etc. It was dam easy to tell and I knew it would be. The moment I kicked the Crown in the bass lost a little something and for whatever reason the sound seemed to get a little brighter. I have brought this up elsewhere but I won't in here as I know the reaction I will get as it has been proven time and time again.

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If someone wants to tell me that all amps sound the same, they better have owned a lot of stuff so they can post some real world examples not just what science tells them. Just because you read it somewhere, that doesn’t necessarily make it the gospel.

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Hmmm. I've read somewhere that the Earth revolves around the Sun, but I've never actually observed it myself, yet I believe it. I also read and learned about evolution in high school and college, and I believe in it despite having never personally observed it. The fact is, when science weighs in on a subject, I tend to side with science.

Now, can you find me a specific example when somebody has said every amp sounds the same? I can find many of examples where people have said a lot amps sound the same (which you agree with), but none that uncategorically say ALL amps sound the same.

About the Crown and Parasound amps, do they both have the same frequency responses from 20Hz to 20kHz? If not, then of course they're going to sound different. Were they calibrated so they were both playing at the exact same dB level? If not, then of course they sounded different. If you're going to do a conclusive comparison, you have to make sure all your variables are minimized.

I don't doubt that you heard differences. Nobody is calling you crazy. Granted, there are some folks on here that are a bit heavy-handed with their use of science, but they are in the minority. If you don't think the majority of people here are like that, it doesn't help this forum's "rep" by calling attention to them in your rant.