Axiom Home Page Forums General Discussion Home Theater One last HSU/SVS question??

Hi Alan,

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Has Axiom purchased a PC-Ultra and done side by side tests to make these claims?

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Well....................................? If you have I would love to see the results. As I have said before there are a lot of claims being made about the EP500 and EP600 that in all honesty are not much more then marketing hype. When you guys have more, let me know. If these things are that good, I may just buy one! :-) But then again, if they are that good, how long will be it be before HSU and SVS who are true subwoofer manufactures come out with something new that blows them out of the water?

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Has Axiom purchased a PC-Ultra and done side by side tests to make these claims?

Well....................................? If you have I would love to see the results. As I have said before there are a lot of claims being made about the EP500 and EP600 that in all honesty are not much more then marketing hype.

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Jeez John. I haven't heard or seen any 'hype." Joninflorida said "They "CLAIM" that that EP500 with largely outperform the SYS ultra." If you choose to not believe this claim, that's fine. But your knee jerk reaction, and challenge, smacks of the need to defend your purchase.

You said:" I have serious doubts that the EP500 would "Largely Outperform" the SVS PC-Ultra." Have YOU done "side by side tests" with those two subs, or is your opinion simply based on the fact that you own an SVS PC-Ultra? Well.....................................?

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But then again, if they are that good, how long will be it be before HSU and SVS who are true subwoofer manufactures come out with something new that blows them out of the water?

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What's your point? After that happens, Axiom, or av123, or the new company being started by Craigsub will come out with something that blows the HSU and SVS out of the water. And then HSU and SVS will bring out something that blows THEM out of the water, and on and on it will go. SO?

Hi Jack, I don't wanna get tit-for-tat, but I wanted to be clear. Axiom did not specify the "ultra" which is the top of the line SVS cylinder sub. They said it "largly outperformed" the SVS and HSU subs, I did not pin them down exact models, maybe I should of, but it was just a general synopsis. I would have to assume they were speaking of subs in the same dollar/market arena. The ultra and the 500 are with-in one dollar in price!!! They did side by side direct comparisons in the same enviroment, and the Axiom was "amazing" and "dominent" As with anything, time will tell.

John, I've got to agree with Jack here. I think you're being overly confrontational. I also think there is a useful distinction between good-natured eagerness for third-party reviews and comparisons, and the baseless cynicism you're conveying. In return for what has always been an unmoderated and completely open forum, I think we owe Axiom a modicum of respect here.

Well...Hsu doesn't have a sub in the same dollar market.
The VTF-3MK2 is $700(even for the rosewood now) and the TN1220 with 500 watt amp is $1000....maybe it was that one.

Eventhough this is the Axiom forum, it would be nice to know model and data specifics. We all know how heated speculative discussions can get.

Curtis you are right, I looked, and still am at the 1220s real close, it's funny if you buy the amp, and (1) 1220 it's 1000.00, and you can buy another 1220 (passive) for 499.00. 1500.00 bucks

If you buy the "package" (2) 1220s and the SAME sub, exact same set-up it's 1697.00. 200 bucks less to buy seperate, go figure. It looks like a hell of a set-up for 1500.00, but I am leary of a 52" tall, top woofer, 12: ruond sub. That baby is narrow, light, and all top-heavy, if you touch that thing, it's going over, it only uses 3 floor spikes, why not 4 with that design. I would think it would be easy enough to "fabricate" a weighted base I guess. But wht should you, anyone with these speakers care to comment?

Curtis, I agree with you. My curiosity is piqued.

However, I do not expect any Axiom representative to come out in writing and cite specific performance comparisons between their products and those of rival manufacturers. This practice would be especially dangerous relative to subs, whose performance is perceived as more easily quantifiable than other loudspeaker products. I've not seen the other companies do so - and for good reason. Such comparisons are, by definition, biased. More importantly, they serve to alienate devotees of other brands who might have otherwise become potential customers. Finally, it's just bad form to throw down the gauntlet in the face of a rival unless you are absolutely convinced you can win - not just the battle, but the war. It's best to leave the measurement and comparisons to those who can be objective - credible consumers and trade publications.

I just don't think it's reasonable to expect Alan or Ian or anybody from Axiom to publicly divulge the specifics of their technical or marketing research. The prior third-hand references in this thread were made in the context of a sales pitch - I fully expect each of these companies to tell me that their subs outperform the others.

I think what we're all eager for is additional, real world reviews of the new Axiom products. I'd like to continue to express that eagerness without disparaging either the conduct of a salesperson doing his job, or the motives of the manufacturer.

What we need here is a special project by craigsub.

jon...good observation...I missed that. I bet an email to them will clear the pricing up...must be a mistake.

As for the spikes, I have no clue.

Tom....in principal, I agree with you, but Alan already mentioned the two companies.

I will eagerly await a third party comparison or review.

I called HSU, it is exactley that, they have a promo on the singe 1220 and amp, works out 200 bucks less going seperately.