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Ray:

Seriously bummed! The only one Ecost has is the 3803 Silver. I'm hoping for the 3805 or the 1083--black. I might have to go for the silver. I just don't know how fast Ecost rolls through inventory.. Thoughts?

TK, consider instead the 2805 which is very close to the 3805 and includes the microphone which is about $60 extra with the 3805.

2805, also known as the 985 (about $100.00 cheaper) available in black or silver

John:

I will. One significant difference is the Analog-to-Digital Conversion-Bit Depth/Sampling Rate. The 2805 is 24/96, while the 3805 is 24/192. Anyone know what the significants of this is? Where would it make a difference and is it noticeable to the human ear?

Bray: Where are you seeing it available?

Etronics.com has for $579.00 . I purchased mine from Sunshine about 3 months ago for 609.00 shipped. If you do a google search you'll find several e-tailers selling it. I had an overall good experience with Sunshine.
985s is the silver one, 985 is the black one. The black one is harder to find, but is out there.
There is also another # designation for the 3805 that is cheaper, but I have forgotten what # designation is.
EDIT: I purchased mine from ShopSunshine.
Looking around the prices are now a little closer, but still about a 50.00-60.00 difference.

TK, a 192KHz rather than 96KHz ADC capacity would have no real significance. Neither the 3805 nor the 2805 convert the analog multi-channel inputs(for DVD-As/SACDs)to digital and only some DVD-As have a 192KHz sampling rate, so the 192KHz ADC capacity would be unused. You can look at the description of the AD1835 codec(COder/DECoder)which combines the ADC and the DACs in the 2805 if you like.

Of course a repy is coming...and I hope that you were not taking a shot at me.....

I agree with most of what was posted here, in that value is in the eye of the beholder. I have stated on many occassions that higher price does not always equate to better performance. It can allow a better design and utilization of superior components that when properly assembled can be a better product. But that is not always the case. In this forum we have all have expressed our opinions, dropped names and quoted sources. These should all be a part of your decision making, and for the larger part, learning experience. I read all posts, and treat all with interest - until it gets off topic and silly, at which point I tune out. I have discussed my views openly, and in PMs. I have always respected all opinions, points of view, and discussions. I have RARELY attacked, insulted or abused anyone I am in discussions with. Unfortunately, there are closed minds in this world who will never be comfortable enough to attempt to stretch their experiences, knowledge or minds.

I will say this - I have friends who do not understand my hobby and the associated costs. They however have different hobbies that do not appeal to me. If you look at other interests, can you justify $500 bottles of wine, $100k automobiles, $10k paintings, $350 shoes, $7500 watches, $6k bicycles, etc, etc......

My position is, and always has been - if you see value, can justify the financial outlay, then you have noone to answer to - except possibly your partner!!!

BBIBH, very well put.

Bray:

Would ShopSunshine happen to be one of the many etailers who Denon warns consumers against on Denon's web site?. I'm worried about warrantee issues.