Well to our eye this evening the video on the 3808 was noticeably superior to the 663, crisper, more vivid, and the dvr is again working properly (not breaking up, long story that I will share if it turns out the fix is actually in, haven't even broached this one, 2 tb external hard drive). Well time will eventually tell but things are looking up. \:D

"If you try to turn toward it, you go against it."