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Hi guys - we have a pair of LFR-1100 Actives ordered with an ADA-1500-6 to go along with our current ADA-1500-4. The 4 channel will handle the three 6.5 woofers per speaker and the dual 5.25 inch rear mids.
The ADA-1500-6 will handle the The front mids and front/rear tweeters.
The current LFR-1100's will go to the rear speaker duty, and a Marantz 7703 pre-amp for processing duties.
A pair of EP-800's will anchor the system.
This is going to be FUN !!
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Craig, will you be using a centre?
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Mojo - no center in this system, although we will have the VP180HP with the M100's in our dedicated theater.
This system is more for high end, 2 channel.
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I see. You know those triple woofers can handle peaks in excess of 5200W? In which case the 1500-4 will not bring them to their dynamic limits. Just sayin'. You'll have high end but not the highest. 
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Based on the expected compression as we near the excursion limits, we are giving up less than 1 dB of actual output against the maximum. I can handle that.
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I am sure at some point giving up that 1 dB will start to haunt you. Hee hee...snort! 
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Wow too cool!!!
Here on the West Coast anxiously awaiting your opinion, of possibly the dream system all the other manufacturers are attempting to build at the moment.
On the YouTube other manufacturers have been speaking of making fully active systems in the future.
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I am sure at some point giving up that 1 dB will start to haunt you. Hee hee...snort! There may be a support group if I can't take it.
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Wow too cool!!!
Here on the West Coast anxiously awaiting your opinion, of possibly the dream system all the other manufacturers are attempting to build at the moment.
On the YouTube other manufacturers have been speaking of making fully active systems in the future. A pair of actives with dual ADA-1500's plus a pair of EP800's has a retail of about $18,400. Ian will typically give a pretty good system price - let's call it $16,000. For $15,000, one gets an omnidirectional system with some serious blind testing and science behind it. It will have a flat response curve from 12 to 20,000 Hz. It's Power Sound Curve will be something no one in the industry can touch. And, it will have about 15,000 watts of pure power that never touches a passive crossover.
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I find it quite sad that every few years, the major manufacturers are re-inventing their drivers and cabinets and all the tooling and processes that go with that. It's akin to re-inventing the wheel. Axiom makes the wheel rounder and bigger.
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Hi guys - we have a pair of LFR-1100 Actives ordered with an ADA-1500-6 to go along with our current ADA-1500-4. Congrats! I look forward to reading your impressions. I'm making layaway payments toward a system upgrade of my own. I know it will include LFR1100 Actives and more amplification, but beyond that I haven't nailed down all of the details. I would like to reduce from four EP800s to two, just to free up space, and I'll make them both v4 horizontals. Maybe by the time I have enough of a balance to do the upgrades, there will be a new active omnidirectional center to complete the front.
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Mazel Tov Craig on your new super potent dream system!
Enjoy the Music. Trust your ears. Laugh at Folks Who Claim to Know it All.
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2x6, you're gonna go for it, right?
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Craig, do you realize the active LFR1100s have a sensitivity of 94dB/W/m and are capable of 4800W peaks? This means with your amplification, they'll hit 121dB at your 12 foot listening distance!
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CV - You are a patient man!
2x6 - Thanks. It won't be long until you go active.
Mojo - That's probably overkill, but overkill is good.
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M80s VP180 4xM22ow 4xM3ic EP600 2xEP350
AnthemAVM60 Outlaw7700 EmoA500 Epson5040UB FluanceRT85
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Guys, I'm gonna join this party too! Then the only ones left out will be Randy and mattmanhasgonebutisbackandlurkingmorethanever...LOL!
Pretty soon I'll be in a position to open up my Axiom shrine to the public-at-large. Waaaahooooooooo!!!!
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The new system is paid for (meaning the check cleared the bank, and the people of Dwight can rest easy tonight) and in production.
Got an email today that the technicians were smoking some fat bois, listening to Pink Floyd, and working on the cabinetry.
Now I need to order 400 interconnect cables.
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I personally fail to see the point of going Active. As I know what levels that I am happy listening at, and what my current LFR produce, it would be a case of throwing money against a wall and seeing if it sticks.
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I personally fail to see the point of going Active. As I know what levels that I am happy listening at, and what my current LFR produce, it would be a case of throwing money against a wall and seeing if it sticks. Your LFR's are fantastic. You would have to experience a speaker without a crossover network in order to "get it" in terms of increased clarity, at all SPL. That being said, you have one of the finest speakers in the world already.
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Actually, I’m looking forward to hearing Craig’s review of these and if he thinks the difference is noticable.
There are two kinds of noticable ...
1 - a/b side by side (blind or otherwise) and
2 - a/b hours or days apart ... which I think is rather hard if the speakers are close
Now, I’ll ask you if you can’t tell them apart in test 2 ... does test 1 really matter for what you put in your home. I know ... just causing trouble me is ....
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BTW ... being a big believer in active crossovers I’d have go with the active ... but if I owned an LFR already .... I’d ask that question ... unless I had to own the best
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Actually, I’m looking forward to hearing Craig’s review of these and if he thinks the difference is noticable.
There are two kinds of noticable ...
1 - a/b side by side (blind or otherwise) and
2 - a/b hours or days apart ... which I think is rather hard if the speakers are close
Now, I’ll ask you if you can’t tell them apart in test 2 ... does test 1 really matter for what you put in your home. I know ... just causing trouble me is .... In theory, we could to an instant blind A/B test using the passive preamp box Debbie built for me 4 years ago. Yes, Debbie is that talented. The staff in Dwight is remarkable. It would take a lot of setup, and interconnects, but it could be done.
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BTW ... being a big believer in active crossovers I’d have go with the active ... but if I owned an LFR already .... I’d ask that question ... unless I had to own the best You make a lot of great points. When talking with Ian, we already had a 4 channel ADA1500-4 and a 5 channel ADA1000-5. Most people with LFR1100's have an Axiom amp already - or another multi channel amp from another company. We decided to use the ADA1500-4 for the woofers and rear mids, with the ADA-1500-6 for the front mids and tweeters. The 6 channel amp will see a lighter load, as the woofers are what need the most power. It's possible that an ADA1500-2 for the woofers and an ADA1500-8 for the mids/tweeters is an attractive package. ANYWAY ... one's current amps should be factored into actives, even if you have Outlaw or Emotiva. How much cleaner will the Actives sound? As you asked, can you hear a difference with one pair used for a week, then the other, in real world listening? If yes, will Ian come up with either a retro fit or a good trade in allowance for those who want an upgrade but don't want to drop 10 grand?
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That being said, you have one of the finest speakers in the world already. From a size vs. performance perspective, my Audiobytes are quite amazing. I was listening to my 601 Series II at my FWB's today and then came home to do some office work. The contrast was shocking. I'm sure my desktop setup would sound even better with the v4 computer speakers but I'm not complaining. I'm sure many of you out there think I'm nuts but there's something to be said for being able to drop a pair of speakers anywhere and getting great sound out of them. Like my Boses, I've never had to tweak anything with the Audiobytes. And the Audiobytes have higher fidelity than the Boses by far.
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100 feet of Axiom speaker wire and 20 banana plugs have been added to the order. We also need to get 10 good interconnects.
Starting to get stoked here!
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Mr. Chase, when are you expecting shipment?
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No shipping date yet, but last week, the panels were all cut and the amp being built. It would not be a surprise if they shipped next week.
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Soon Craig, very soon, the majestic voices of a hundred angels will pour forth from each driver and fifty more from each magnificent sphincter to blend into glorious hosannas in the highest. Your ears-brain will bathe in an effervescent acoustic field giving rise to an orgasmic rapture that will saturate and enslave your soul. The question is, do you possess the strength to resist the potent grip active linear frequency radiators have over man?
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Mojo ... I am not sure if I can resist. But I can fart in your general direction.
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I don't think your sphincter is in the same tier as the LFR sphincters. LOL!
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Is that similar to 'phart'?...
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Hey, we got Monty Python into the conversation.
Tam ... pharting is exclusive to Elephants.
And now Mojo can fantasize about elephant sphincters!
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I already have 24 sphincters here to fantasize about. Wahahahahaha!
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I nominate Mojo for the title of “Axiom Acoustical Poet” (provide he can keep it relatively clean). Any 2nd?
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Is the wire still with smoked sheath or have they gone back to the black cover?
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I nominate Mojo for the title of “Axiom Acoustical Poet” (provide he can keep it relatively clean). Any 2nd? The official title would be Poet Reprobatus.
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Is the wire still with smoked sheath or have they gone back to the black cover?
As soon as they arrive, I will let you know.
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The official title would be Poet Reprobatus. yes there is that side also.
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While Craig pondered the profundity of my poetic prowess, I penned more prose to please proponents of my propitious productions.
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Mojo proclaims poetic prominence while potentially pontificating preconceived possible plaudits for his preferred powered speaker ports.
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Perfect!
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A thread has been opened on Home Theater Forum. This thread will help give Ian some exposure for his high end design, so please join and post there when you can. https://www.hometheaterforum.com/communi...-thread.362727/
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Very good, Craig. Ian is so busy inventing stuff, he has no time to tweet his own horn.
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We all know these are gonna sound so much more awesome than anything you currently have. The question on mattmanhasgonebutkeepscomingback's mind is are they 25 times more awesome than the M3s?
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We all know these are gonna sound so much more awesome than anything you currently have. The question on mattmanhasgonebutkeepscomingback's mind is are they 25 times more awesome than the M3s? Actually - passive LFR-1100's are about the same money as 10 pairs of M3's. In reality, it would probably be impossible to make 10 pairs of M3's sound as good as a pair of LFR-1100 actives. So ... mmhgbkcb needs Active LFR-1100's.
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I was figuring in the price of amps and DSPs. Twenty five M3s, arranged in a pentagonal prism configuration, with each rectangular face comprised of five M3s, would be a masterfully magnificent and marvellously multilateral monolith of multipolar, mellifluous musicalization.
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Ten ADA-1000-5's would be needed to drive the 25 pairs of M3's.Total price is $29,000.
This is multiplying money for muddy music.
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A normal pentagonal prism has 7 faces but presumably Mojo envisioned leaving the floor and back "speaker free" and therefore he would have 5 faces with 5 M3's each for a total of 25 M3's, or 5 ADA-1000-5's (one for each face). However, unless each M3 needs a discrete signal, you could probably wire 5 M3's into each channel of an ADA-1500-5 for a mere $4,400.
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Pablo, a normal rectangular prism has 7 faces but as I said, drivers would only be placed on the 5 *rectangular* faces.
Each driver would need an amp channel and DSP channel so Craig is right although an ADA-200-5 and ADA-50-5 is likely enough for each face for a 12 foot listening distance. The 200-5 would be for woofage and 50-5 for tweetage. The electronics could be housed inside the prism and accessed from the top face.
Axiom can build this today if it weren't for one barrier; poor Ian would be found swinging from the rafters after realizing it's humanly impossible to seamlessly integrate the responses from so many drivers. None of us want that!
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Is heroin the path to an octagonal prism?
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Is heroin the path to an octagonal prism? No, but you may have a sudden urge to watch reruns of "Barney the Purple Dinosaur."
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I love you You love me
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Won't you say you love me too! The Andrew Dice Clay Version .... I love you ... You love me ... That's how we both got VD.
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Thank you.
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I found pentagonal prism speakers at the link below. Quite a history to this company. They made a few different lines. http://www.regonaudio.com/Soundwave.html
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It is time for an update - The LFR Actives are mostly built. I also ordered an Axiom Air N3 and two N2's, and told Ian to ship them all at the same time. It will be quite the delivery! But - with my additional order, it will be a few extra weeks before anything ships.
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Presumably the DSP will include twin sub pre-outs?
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Presumably the DSP will include twin sub pre-outs? It will.
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What cross-over management features will be available on said sub pre-outs and how shall said cross-over management be set?
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It looks as if the LFR's will ship next week.
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What finish did you get on the LFRs, Craig?
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They are oak with the cinnamon accent to match the EP800's.
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Tried to link a pic ... links to a page don't work.
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Yeah...Rich said that this morning. We were talking audio while you were sawing logs.
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Ok ... I am done with this. Take it from here, guys. Do your own review.
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Actually I think the talk was more color related then audio ... mojo was saying something about wearing a lime something or other while ogling red M3s or was it that the red M3 were wearing the lime something or other ... have to go back and reread that thread
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Craig, just send me all your gear and I'll take care of the review. I'll post photos on my google drive. Rich, can you send me your lime mankinis to dress up Craig's active LFRs?
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Craig, just send me all your gear and I'll take care of the review. I'll post photos on my google drive. Rich, can you send me your lime mankinis to dress up Craig's active LFRs? Hmmm, I think he wants all the toys
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I tried imgur and that didn't work either.
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Hey Craig. Check it out. I looked at Steve's (SRoode's) post that had an embedded photo. He used postimages.org and likely used the "thumbnail for forums" option. Real easy. No sign up required.
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The review will be posted at Home Theater Forum, with additional conversation on Axiom's FB page. People interested in discussion of product welcome. https://www.hometheaterforum.com/communi...-thread.362727/
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Looking forward to it Craig.
On another topic, Are you planning on reviewing the air M3/M2?
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The active LFR1100s will be the most amazing speaker Craig has ever heard.
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I wonder if Ian put a gut punch switch on the active LFR DSP.
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The LFR-1100 Actives have shipped, along with the ADA-1500-6 amp. We already have an ADA-1500-4 here.
In the Home Theater Forum thread, there is a dedicated page to post pictures from unboxing to finished install. There will be a lot of technical information provided as well.
The pictures and tech info will be in posts two and three in the thread.
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The actives are only going to get better as Axiom increases the resolution of amplitude response measurements and equalizes resonances with improved parametric filters in the DSP. I remember Ian saying the summer student was going to work on that.
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Awesome Craig anticipating your review. Four 1100s WOW!!!
Hoping all the sheeple on HTF don't go into their typical bashing of products they aren't fanboys of. Remembering the EP350 sub showdown it's hard for some to open their minds to something they're not already huge fanboys of.
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Craig, it would be real interesting to test how these sound when they're placed against the front wall vs. into the room.
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So, with the Active LFR1100s and Axiom amps, do you still need the DSP?
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Yes. It's the DSP that provides the digital cross-overs to the driver arrays.
Tinypic is toast!
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Craig, we've been waiting all day. What's taking so long to make up your mind about some simple active LFRs? LOL!
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It was about 2.5 hours to do the initial set up - but everything is installed. There will be some housecleaning to be done and for now, the speakers are getting 23 hours of burn in before we start doing some listening tomorrow.
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Craig, I think it's about time!
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From the Home Theater Forum thread - the first report:
"Ok - The speakers are set up and the initial process of listening tests has started. Look for some pictures this weekend. The system now is an OPPO universal player, the Marantz 7703 pre-amp and the Axiom LFR-1100 actives. No processing is being used, and they are running full range.
Tonight, music auditioned was Roger Water's "In the Flesh" live SACD and the Cowboy Junkies "Trinity Session."
Both make for excellent review discs as both present some serious challenges.
"In the flesh" has an immense sound stage and in Pink Floyd fashion, all sorts of sound effects. "Trinity Session" is almost the opposite - it was recorded on the Church of the Holy Trinity in Toronto, and is all unamplified music using a single microphone.
First impressions are these speakers are extremely revealing and neutral. On Trinity, it is easy to place each instrument on stage and Margo Timmin's vocals are more "in the room" than with any speaker we have had to date. All the grandeur of "In the Flesh" hits hard and fast. The helicopter fly over as we enter "Another Brick in the Wall" lets one feel each blade thwap.
This is going to be several months of work - the speakers have already impressed, but there is a lot of tweaking to be done."
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No subs - for at least a month.
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Lucky, Craig. I've always wanted to experience what an amplifier, free of analog filters, can do to an electrodynamic driver. You have powerful amplifiers, capable of 9000 clean peak Watts, and 22 such drivers managed by digital filters that have had the hell engineered out of them with at least 30 years of progressive research behind their engineering.
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The illusory trinity of the before, the now and the hereafter all coalesce into a single poignant moment. That moment, birthed via the loins of mammas Colquhoun and Welker, is also inexplicably entangled with one from, all places, Erie Pennsylvania. That one has been entrusted with participating in the moment and describing to less fortunate souls, the divine goodness that may arise from it. That one is a man by the name of Craig Chase, who gripped the moment and felt blade thwapping, hard and fast hits and Margot Timmin causing him to proclaim the active LFR1100s are already revealing, neutral and impressive. Did I get that right, Rich?
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I don't know about Rich, but personally, I won't be able to stifle a chuckle the next time I see Andrew and Ian and their respective "momma loins." 
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Wahahahaha! Just think about it though. Everything, and I mean everything, those two have done up 'till now has been about the active LFRs. It must be glorious for Ian to finally hear what his system sounds like freed from the inaccuracies of passive filtering and the deleterious effects of limited dynamics. This system can reach 120db+ at 12 feet away and the pristine detail preserved by the digital filters must render acoustical images like a hologram. This is not about us. It's about them.
I don't even have to hear it to know how worthy it is. I know from the v4 gear I have, these guys have reached a deity-like pinnacle of understanding about their systems and their associated emotional response.
I suspect Ian still won't be completely satisfied until he improves their accuracy with a quarter of a degree spinorama resolution on the Family of Curves.
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Mojo, you have two choices: Grow old waiting for Craig to review it OR Mortgage the house and hear it yourself We all know which one you want. So get on it and sing your praise having listened to the darn things ... P.S. the LFR active were created for the SPL starved, image obsessed, audio nut ... Anyone come to mind?
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Yeah, Rich, I am image obsessed for sure. Not sure about SPL-starved but I have noticed some of the very well-recorded jazz and brass pieces I listen to need a lower (quiet) level of 85dBC at my 12 foot listening position. These same pieces have peaks of an additional 20dBC. To hit 105dBC at a 12 foot distance requires a lot of peak power with an electrodynamic speaker like the Axioms as I've reported before and many of us know.
Besides being able to hit the peaks accurately, great imaging also requires detail through a high resolution Family of Curves, precision and accuracy in processing and amplification and "low" noise. These three things lead to separation, or a blackness, between the images. The precision and accuracy and low noise is very, very difficult to achieve. Axiom has made a great start with pre-amplification digital filtering but I suspect this is certainly not the end. We might think that every enhancement from now on is a refinement but so is getting a new eyeglass prescription every couple of years. Look at the difference those new glasses make!
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Craig, I hope you're at home...listening to them. I mean, what the hell, dude? How can you not?
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I had a 9 hour day at the dealership plus a killer workout at the gym this morning - got in at 8:30 and spent an hour listening to a wonderful CD of Acoustic Guitar. These speakers bring the live feel to guitars. My son plays and teaches guitar, so I get to hear a lot live. It was a terrific decompression!
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Isn't that dealership running itself yet?
When you feel more acquainted with them, let us know what happens between the notes and in betwixt the images? Do you hear silence and "see" blackness? If you close your eyes, do you eerily feel the images there, existing with you, aetherially?
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If you close your eyes, do you eerily feel the images there, existing with you, aetherially? Your eyes snap open...memorable.
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As I've said a few times, I experience this with the M5s. I have not been able to replicate it with the M50, M3 or M100. I expect the active M5s will make this effect much sharper than what it is now.
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Just finished the SACD of Dark Side of the Moon. These speakers are ruthless - they reveal just how old this recording is. In contrast to the Masters of Acoustic guitar, Dark Side lacks the depth and purity in the recording.
And that brings me to a new level in reviewing: This is the first pair of speakers that has me reviewing the disc instead of the speakers.
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P.S. the LFR active were created for the SPL starved, image obsessed, audio nut ... Anyone come to mind? Yeah, I should probably send my LFR1100's to Mojo. I have a small living room, mostly windows and masonry heater, and (as of this evening) a truck full of LFR1100 actives to fit in there somewhere. I'm not even totally sure where the amps and DSPs will go, let alone the speakers, and I don't play music all that loud. But dammit, I'm looking forward to this. I haven't had a tri-amped system for almost 40 years and that's just too long.
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And that brings me to a new level in reviewing: This is the first pair of speakers that has me reviewing the disc instead of the speakers. That's so beautiful!
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"I haven't had a tri-amped system for almost 40 years and that's just too long."
Uhmm...it's penta-amped.
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"I haven't had a tri-amped system for almost 40 years and that's just too long."
Uhmm...it's penta-amped. You are both right - it has 5 amps, but only 3 different bandwidths for the drivers.
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Craig, is Masters of Acoustic Guitar Laurence Juber - Altered Reality?
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Craig, there's a very noticeable difference when compared to the passive LFRs, right? I mean you can be a total audio newbie and you'd notice it, right?
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Yeah, true... it's more like tri-and-two-thirds-amped. I'm going to need a lot of banana plugs... and 10 DSP-to-amp cables. Hmm... this may not come to life over the weekend. I'm thinking three stages: - get everything sitting in the right place and measure - order a bunch of stuff and wait for it to show up - hook everything up and enjoy Also thinking I should have ordered two Oppo UDP* players rather than one before they stopped production. What is current thinking re: decent CD players, or has everyone gone to PCs already ?
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Yeah, true... it's more like tri-and-two-thirds-amped. I'm going to need a lot of banana plugs... and 10 DSP-to-amp cables. Hmm... this may not come to life over the weekend. I'm thinking three stages: - get everything sitting in the right place and measure - order a bunch of stuff and wait for it to show up - hook everything up and enjoy Also thinking I should have ordered two Oppo UDP* players rather than one before they stopped production. What is current thinking re: decent CD players, or has everyone gone to PCs already ? John - I have two OPPO's and also the Yamaha Aventage 1060 universal player. It's an excellent unit that, to me, matches the OPPO units.
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Craig, there's a very noticeable difference when compared to the passive LFRs, right? I mean you can be a total audio newbie and you'd notice it, right? Based on experiences with other people, I would have to say no. Some people just don't even try to listen and discern. Of course, I think red wine either tastes good or bad, and don't get into nuance. We all have our "things." I will also try to get the artists on the disc - it's a compilation.
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Wine IS either good or bad. LOL!
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Craig, there's a very noticeable difference when compared to the passive LFRs, right? I mean you can be a total audio newbie and you'd notice it, right? Based on experiences with other people, I would have to say no. Some people just don't even try to listen and discern. I remember when I first listened to my M80v2. I was coming from Bose 601 series II. The M80s were a revelation. What I heard was clarity and definition. That is all I could describe at the time. As time marched on, I realized there was more to the M80s compared to the Boses. I could hear distinct images at the centre, and speaker extremes and areas in between. I ended up listening to many different speakers at many different locations. As I listened more and more, I found I could locate sounds better. I think without knowing it, I trained my brain to discriminate between sound source locations. I got to the point where I realized my M80v2 were the limiting factor in my soundstage enjoyment. This was right around v3 time when Axiom started to make a big deal of their spinorama. I started to read up on the spinorama and realized this wasn't much different than some of the work I was involved with over the years on combustible gas sensors. I also realized that running curves was one thing, running them accurately and with sufficient resolution was another. Interpretation was a whole different matter as was implementation in the form of drivers, cabinets, cross-overs. As I've said in the past, I decided to observe for many years by watching posts and reading what Ian and Andrew were writing. Frankly I was not surprised when the vast majority of those who upgraded to v4 made simple obsrvations like "there's more bass" and "it's clearer". There were very few others however who piqued my interest by describing the difference in soundstage. Those were folks who, whether they knew it or not, had trained brains. What convinced me to give v4 fronts a try, more than 4 years after they were brought to market, was a post by I think a fellow named davenote, and emails with Craig. When I first listened to the M5s, I confirmed it was the M80v2 that was the culprit and not my brain. I saw images with the M5 that were impossible to pick out with the M80v2 and those images were not just across the stage but into it. Then I heard the M3v4 and realized that Axiom must have really had done a hell of a lot of work in the chamber because now I was seeing the same images from two different speakers. The images from the M5 were of course clearer. Which brings me to now. I've trained myself with the v4 so well, they are now the barrier to greater resolution in the perception of holographic imaging. No doubt chucking out passive filters and replacing them with actives will make a difference, but will the difference rival my brain's location discrimination capability? I don't know what that limit is but my feeling is that actives and LFRs won't be good enough for me just yet. I think the same with Craig and others who are trained. Better, yes. Rivaling our sensory capabilities, no. I think that limit is found in higher resolution in the Family of Curves. What that resolution is, I don't have enough theoretical grounding in psychoacoustics to know. Is it one degree, half a degree, a quarter? It likely depends on what your MLP is. The closer you are, the more you can resolve up to the limit of near-field effects. Having high resolution curves is one thing and interpreting them to figure out what variations are low Q/high Q and how to best flatten them is another. Thankfully a DSP can do things that no analog filter, not even active analog filters, can do. Even an inexperienced signal analysis engineer has simulation tools available to, for all intents and purposes, design a perfect frequency domain filter. The real challenge is in noise rejection because that really blurs imaging when all other parameters have been optimized. I wonder at what point perfection, which I define as the limits of human perception, will be reached and what will have to be done to get there.
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Just finished the SACD of Dark Side of the Moon. Craig, are you using XLR or RCA connects between DSP and amp ? Short RCA cables seem to be pretty common but short XLR's not so much...
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This is what I am using for cable and connects: Thanks... added to cart while I figure out what to use between DSPs and amps.
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You really ought to use XLR if for nothing else but reducing the possibility of ground loop noise.
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Something like this. Not sure of gender. GLS Audio 2ft Patch Cable Cords - XLR Male to XLR Female Color Cables - 2' Balanced Snake Cord - 6 Pack https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B000S91BI8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_fltFDbA5YTFFY
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What the hell, John? I expected you to have constructed site-specific drawings detailing the installation of all components, cable part numbers and routing. And a final draft Site Acceptance Test document. Now I find out you're scrambling. Come on, man! LOL!
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I second the vote for XLR mainly to make sure your noise floor can be as low as possible. The last thing you need is a loop with such a setup.
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What the hell, John? I expected you to have constructed site-specific drawings detailing the installation of all components, cable part numbers and routing. And a final draft Site Acceptance Test document. Now I find out you're scrambling. Come on, man! LOL! Yeah, guilty as charged. Work has been a lot more chaotic than I expected and I am scrambling on all fronts. Added some XLR cables to the order... hopefully I got the genders right. Maybe I'll unbox the amps and DSPs just to be sure. EDIT: Woof, ADA1500's are heavy. Looks like Axiom follows the "inputs are female, outputs are male" convention so a bunch of female-to-male cables should work. Ordered. Thanks everyone !
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You need female on one end male on the other for DSP to ADA. The DSP input needs a male.
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Great, thanks. I think I'm still going to have to run RCA from pre-amp to DSPs unless/until I upgrade the pre-amp. I'm running one of those TubeDAC combos at the moment... no XLR's. I guess I'm going to end up with two stacks of electronics... probably DSP on the bottom (Ian says that should be OK), then ADA1500, then CD player on top of one ADA1500. The TubeDAC doesn't have a phono input so I figure I'll move the turntable and HK receiver into the basement, hook up the MP5s there, and use that for ripping/playing LPs. At some point I guess I'm going to have to go look for a gadget that streams from the PC into the pre-amp. I see why kids just play music on their phones EDIT: OK, plan B. I ordered a basic Pro-Ject phono pre-amp, plus an acrylic platter so I can install the moving coil cartridge I bought about 10 years ago. Now I can have a turntable on top of the other DSP/ADA1500 stack. Might end up wishing I had a subsonic filter somewhere in the path... we'll see.
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Just finished the SACD of Dark Side of the Moon. Craig, are you using XLR or RCA connects between DSP and amp ? Short RCA cables seem to be pretty common but short XLR's not so much... John - We have Blue Jeans Cable's top RCA interconnects.
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Craig, do you have access to Spotify on the active LFR system? Also looking forward to your feedback on the Airs.
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Time for updates ...
1. Yes, we have access to Spotify Premium, and the account is set to "extreme high quality."
2. Last night was an evening with John Rankin Quartet - some fantastic jazz.
3. Tonight was Mozart.
The soundstage of these speakers, with eyes closed, is well outside the walls of the room. The depth is outstanding - on Mozart, you can see the violins well back and to the left.
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Guys - I meant to come back an edit my last post. Some biz stuff came up, and I had to step out. I forgot we only have a half hour to edit ... So here is the added info ... The various horns were well placed a bit forward and to the right of the violins, with Cellos at the right of the stage. For strict music listening, it takes a special speaker to keep my attention with classical music, and the Actives do it with ease. And now Mojo wants an audition of the National Geographic Channel.
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That Mojo sure is trouble!
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Craig, where are the baffles of the speakers with respect to the front wall?
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A pair of LFR1100 actives are in packaging and and a pair of ADA1500 5s are in quality control.
I'm getting pretty giddy. No idea how to set them up, but I figure the instructions should make it clear.
I will report back when I get them all set up.
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Wonder how many actives were sold so far ... I count at least 4 on this board.
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Who besides 2x6, Craig and Bridgman?
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Whoa, Phil! I really like you too, dood! That was a very fast decision.
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Who besides 2x6, Craig and Bridgman? Me ... just can’t take delivery till my Room is ready.
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I suspected you were one of the early adapters of active LFRs. Congrats!
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2x6 - Congrats on the order! The worst part was stripping 40 wire ends. You also have to pay close attention to making sure you follow from DSP - Interconnect to amp - speaker wire to proper input. I did it one at a time all the way through - the last thing you need is to hook the woofer output to the tweeter on the speaker.
Mojo - the speakers are 31 inches from the back wall and 24 inches from the side walls. The rear baffle's angle is out.
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"the last thing you need is to hook the woofer output to the tweeter on the speaker."
Craig, I don't understand this.
Is that 31 inches to the front baffle or the rear of the cabinet?
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Mojo ... by last thing you need to do, I mean DON'T DO IT!!
Another example ... "The last thing you need to do is ask your mother in law for her opinion."
It is the rear baffle that is 31 inches from the wall.
There are 10 speaker wires required. Each needs 4 ends stripped. Think positive and negative on each end.Thus, 40 in total.
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LOL! Ok, I got it, Craig. BTW, do you know if the tweeters have a cap to protect them from possible DC levels?
Regarding the 31", it would be great if, at some point, you could experiment with putting them say 12" away and see how the image depth changes. Very few of us have the room or WAF to place them that far away. Andrew says the BGC switch on the DSP should really help with imaging in that kind of installation.
Phil, the other way to think about the wires is as follows: there are 5 cables going to each speaker: woofer array, front mid-woofer array, front tweeter array, rear mid-woofer array, rear tweeter array. Each of those cables has two ends - one for the amp and the other for the speaker. Each end has 2 wires - a positive and negative. So that's 5 cables * 2 wires/cable * 2 ends/wire = 20 ends. Since there are two speakers, that's 2 * 20 = 40 ends.
I'd help you wire, set these up and lock them into perfect "focus" if only I lived closer.
Thank you in advance Craig for keeping us all in the loop. You're a real credit to the hobby!
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Phil, if you know your cable lengths, you could see if Axiom can provide you with all necessary cables including the ones between DSPs and amps.
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Craig, is BGC set to zero?
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BGC is set to off, and there will be a lot of different ideas tried, including close wall proximity.
We will also delve into 2.0 and 2.1 movie auditions, Audyssey tests with and without sub ... it's going to take months.
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Yes, I know. I just want to make sure you don't miss anything in your test plan. :p I sure wish you'd give up your day job for your hobby.
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The soundstage of these speakers, with eyes closed, is well outside the walls of the room. The depth is outstanding - on Mozart, you can see the violins well back and to the left. If the soundstage of perception were cleansed, every sound would appear to man as it is: infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro’ narrow chinks of his passive, bipolar speakers.
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Took an hour and fired up Steely Dan's "2 against nature" CD tonight. The Actives let the dynamics through in a way I haven't heard since we had the Klipschorns here. And the Actives do it with a sense of pure music that the Klipschorns cannot match.
They also give almost subwoofer depth in bass on the synthesized kick drum. These speakers are worth the effort to set up, for sure.
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Is the 1500-4 and 1500-6 combo enough?
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Is the 1500-4 and 1500-6 combo enough? They are not even breaking a sweat.
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I think they're designed to spray more mids and highs out the back rather than the front. Just sayin'...
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Do you all realize what Axiom can do with this technology? And how quickly they can do it. This and the Air. I love it!
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My cable parts arrived last night. Haven't been brave enough to open the box yet... that "40 wire ends" thing is a bit daunting. Probably need to dig around in the "tools I used 30 years ago" pile for some better wirestrippers.
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Each wire will take you no more than one minute. It's actually rather therapeutic. Does that motivate you?
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I use this for most of my wire striping ... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01018CX46/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1Takes seconds per wire end good to 10AWG but I’ve only used it.to 12 It’s especially useful for stripping wire for small crimp connectors and other small electronic things where your repetitively trying to strip 1/8” or 1/4”. It can do casings if your careful. And for you guys it’s great for speaker wire.
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I just use one of these bad boys. I know John would appreciate it. For extra challenge, I close my eyes and do it behind my back. That one minute estimate I gave included terminating the end, a visual inspection followed by an electrical test. John, if you want an even bigger challenge, use the edge of the Cold Steel Spetznaz shovel. 
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Rich, are you procuring an active LFR centre and active surrounds too?
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I just use one of these bad boys Yes but how many fingers do you have?
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Have a VP180HP ... but if the LFR can image it out of existance I would not be unhappy ...
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Can’t figure out the advantage to an LFR center unless maybe if your speakers are very far apart and you want to sit closer then the LFR sweet spot will allow.
And ... I’m not not positive the center to right / center to left sweet spots would work as I’m imagining.
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Hey guys - after a couple of nights off for my parent's 65th wedding anniversary, it was time to rock out. Tonight was Bob Seager's "Live Bullet."
These speakers can kick some serious jams! Once again, the clarity is astonishing. You can not only hear the lyrics with ease, but you pick up Seager's breathing between words, subtle stage sounds - it gives a real feel for being at the concert, with one exception.
One can clearly tell they used one track of the 16 track recorder to record the audience from the stage, which makes them sound like they are "behind" the performers. Sometimes, accuracy makes for some odd listening experiences.
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65th. Wow! Congrats to mamma and pappa Chase. Is that the original or re-mastered?
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It was the first marriage for both.
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Happy celebrations,
Time is so special in the long run.
Cool seems logical the background would be in the background. just more of a back up in such representation.
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It was the first marriage for both. Oh yeah? That's great but I was asking about the album.
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Cool seems logical the background would be in the background. just more of a back up in such representation. Background should be be to the sides and behind. Like Craig is sitting in a pool of people with Bob in front.
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It's a probability that a unidirectional microphone was used on stage, facing the audience, to place the audience sounds into the soundtrack.
As Mojo suggested, the more accurate would be to have the audience surrounding the listening position, but this typically takes one omnidirectional microphone in the audience, which is a tough task, especially in a large venue.
Mojo - I will check the CD tomorrow to see if it was remastered, but that still would not have an effect on microphone placement.
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I was thinking more of a guy mixing with either headphones or 2 monitors and trying to put the audience in the back ground.
Very dependant on method of recording/mics. used.
In that aspect I would expect most recordings of them becoming a backup singer. By default almost. Plus the recording artist probably never heard an Omnidirectional Active Loudspeaker, let alone even knowing it now exists.
The blueray concerts could be quite entertaining with the audience as more backup vocals
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Brendo - As the concert was from the 70's, the speaker technology from then was quite different, especially in terms of a sound power experience ala Floyd E. Toole / Axiom (and a host of Harman International speakers - Toole's labs are there). There were some bi-polar speakers and also other designs intended to create what is now showable in a family of curves. The Bose 901 is the most famous, and there were some other high end companies at the time doing it. There were no measurements behind the concept - merely drivers pointing in different directions. What's remarkable is this: I have heard Live Bullet a bazillion times. I think we wore out 3 LPs my freshman year in college. The audience noises were always noticeable, but the Active 1100's make it clear how the audience was recorded. Now I am looking forward to playing The Wall in its entirety - but this HAS to have an EP800 in the mix.
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Hmmm...I've listened to the first track and plan to listen to more tracks. I can't say it's a great recording but perhaps better than a lot of other recordings of that genre. On that first track, the audience mostly collapses to the left and right M100s. A couple of times I heard the audience behind the M100s and to the inside. On the M5, the audience is behind the speakers and pushed "back". The M100s reveal more detail.
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Yeah, I'm happy too. But we could be happier.
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Well, I unpacked the 4 electronic devices, 2 amps and 2 dunno whats, I'm waiting for a friend to help repackage the LFR1100s and unpack the new LFR1100 actives. That's a lot of stuff.
The amps look very good. Pure design, quality look and feel, and HEAVY.
I have 12 XLR balanced interconnects and 2 RCA interconnects ready to connect. That exhausts my XLR cable supply.
Should be making some music by this evening. Will report.
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Sounds like a fun day ahead
Congrats on the delivery.
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Congrats, Phil. Looking forward to your thoughts.
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Is that 5 pairs of speaker binding posts per speaker?
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I'm a bit jealous of you guys getting your deliveries ...
Although I'm also looking forward to hearing about everyone's impressions.
My expectations are high and every thing I hear keeps notching that up ...
December is so far way ...
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Rich, Axiom's AI will take in feedback from users and improve the DSP. So yours will sound better.
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2x6 - Congrats on the delivery. Set up will take some time, but it will be worth it.
After walking the golf course today in 88 degree temps, it was time for more listening. Today was Earth Wind and Fire's Greatest Hits. "Shining Star" was unlike anything I ever heard - the closing part Acapella was more of a "they are in the room" than anything I ever experienced. The whole disc was immersive in nostalgia along with dynamics and clarity that I have never heard.
Now I have "My Cousin Vinny" on, and the lack of center channel is not noticed, even when sitting outside either speaker. These speakers just let everything through - when the car expert takes off his glasses, you can hear the plastic clicking as he closes them. The realism is just too much fun.
2x6 - can't wait for you to get started!
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I listened to many renditions of Shining Star on Spotify Premium. The only ones that feel like they're in the room are live in Tokyo and live in Baltimore. Maybe those live versions on your actives will make you feel like you're there!
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I was on the facebook axiom enthusiast page when my antenna went up.
There was this guy, Mr Stevens, who claimed to be a A-LFR purchaser. A fifth buyer I never heard of ... but wait … those speakers look suspiciously familiar … Mr. Chase you had me going there for a minute …
This got me thinking about who would be likely to be an early adopter in A-LFR market. Given the cost of the A-LFR (including 10 channels of amplification), one would need to trust that Axiom was not just spewing marketing hype. Right now the A-LFR market is us.
At least until some “in the know” reviewer comes out with the thumbs up to give others the warm and fuzzy to purchase.
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Right. It all boils down to trust and money.
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Here is a pair in High Gloss white with the two ADA1500-1 and four ADA1500-2. The comment I got back was: "I've listened to a whole lot of speakers, but THESE!!!, they nail it" 
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Wow, someone tell me the use case where you need more than one 1500 per speaker in what looks to be a living room. One case I can think of is the saving of using a stack of 1500s and DSPs to hold up your gear instead of a cabinet.
P.S. Must have gotten too high ... think there is an ADA missing from that stack ...
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Guys ... let's talk the relative performance of the passive and active LFR-1100'S.
A pair of Passive LFR-1100's and an ADA 1500-4 retails at $8310.
The Active LFR-1100'S and a pair of ADA 1000-5's retail at $8760.
The active package, for about the same money, will outperform the passive package in every way.
Yes, going with a more powerful amp will get a little more headroom, but the Active pacacke for $8760 will have better dynamics with 5 amp channels per speaker and no loss from the crossover.
Now we are looking at a speaker / amp package of incredible value.
When one considers that one can later trade a 1000 for a 1500 relatively easy, I cannot see a reason to get the passive package over the active package.
Put in simple terms, no speaker system currently available can match the overall performance of the $8760 active LFR-1100 package.
Read the professional reviews of the passive 1100's ... the actives are superior.
I do think a mistake is made telling people they "need" $7000 to $22,000 in amplification to get great performance.
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The next step up in performance would be in understanding the three 6.5 inch woofers need the most power.
For this ... take the Actives ... a 1500-2 and a 1000-8 for $10,410 retail. The relative in box efficiencies of the mid range and tweeters make this a solid package, and also an easy upgrade later.
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Re: Triggered pulled - Active LFR-1100's are on order!
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Yeah. I will be buying them. I have the trust. Now I need to scrape together the money.
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Dedicated mid-woofers are over-rated
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Wow, someone tell me the use case where you need more than one 1500 per speaker in what looks to be a living room. I think those belong to 2x6. Rich, that's one of his eight bathrooms. The other 7 already have 5.2.4. Did you notice there are 7 ADAs? One is in warm stand-by.
House of the Rising Sone
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Dedicated mid-woofers are over-rated
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