About the sub pictures, I don't have a digital camera as of yet. When someone comes over that has one I'll tell 'em to bring it. And also, I have no idea how to get pitures on to these forums. I tried to put the pictures of my Uncle's old (18 years) B & W 802's that he gave me (but wound up having an unrepairable woofer) on and couldn't get it to work. Where do you find out how to do that kinda stuff anyway?